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I am a conservative socialist and I opposed the bailouts because I though the system was too far gone to save. I was wrong as the banks seem to be paying off the loans with interest at near credit card rates. That is a good deal for all of us.
Your defence and loyalty for your party is touching, but you are a fool if you think I am going back to browse 18 month old posts on various boards just because you're asking.
OK, let's play your game. Were are your facts? Prove you screamed at your TV. Show me 18 month old posts where ALL conservatives opposed Bush bailouts.
I don't care if someone choosed to bury his/her head in the sand and say it ain't so, but it just happens to be what happened. I don't know why anyopne would bother to deny it, but apparently there are always those who always feel compelled to defend their party and disagree with everything.
You said "conservatives" and as far as I know there is no "party" under that name. It sure as hell is not the Republican Party, they are all a bunch of big government neocons.
Oh, ok, I suppose that's all with then. The fact that the government owns 80% of Fannie is no concern to "conservatives" because their stock is listes in stock exchange. Okey dokey.
This is what I mean when I said conservatives defended the bailouts. It is easy enough to find an argument to say it's ok, because of this or that.
Thank you for proving my point.
Are you asking for a list of banks because you argue that no banks were nationalized in 2008. Is that what you are saying?
Your back to make more unfounded claims without any evidence...
Fannie/Freddie LOANS are guaranteed by the federal government, it was LIBERALS that wanted the government to buyup loans and guarantee them.
I never once claimed that I'm ok with the Feds owning ANY company, nor do I want or support them guaranteeing loans. You can pretend I support this but thats again just in your fantasy land...
I'm asking for a list of banks nationalized.. There are numerous banks taken over and then liquidated but thats not what your claim is.. Nationalized is the taking of a bank and then having the government run it for the purpose of running a bank, not for the purpose of securing the FDIC insured deposits up until such time the banks can then be distributed to other banks.
Tell me what banks were nationalized in 2008... CAN YOU NAME ONE FACT?
I am a conservative socialist and I opposed the bailouts because I though the system was too far gone to save. I was wrong as the banks seem to be paying off the loans with interest at near credit card rates. That is a good deal for all of us.
You'll need to expand on the whole "conservative socialist" thing for to to understand where you are coming from.
Disingenuous? No. The hypocricy of the fake conservatives actually bothers be a lot. A LOT. Look at PHQUEST. He already went back to defending the nationlization of Fanne Mae.
The conservative part is maximizing individual freedom from economic fear and the socialist part is government regulating or owning natural monopolies and preventing market manipulation or dominance by any participant. An example of the first is to have health care, not insurance, available for anyone that needs it. An example of the second is government ownership of electric utilities and all other natural resources. The government would, for example, own all the underground oil and mine it by contracting the private sector or using government employees. The latter is usually cheaper for the ultimate consumer.
You said "conservatives" and as far as I know there is no "party" under that name. It sure as hell is not the Republican Party, they are all a bunch of big government neocons.
I see I confused everyone here. To clarify, I am talking about fake conservatives, people who claim to be conservative and vote straight republican, and who supported Bush in everything he did and wanted to do, including his socialist tsunami, and now they oppose the EXACT samer policy when it's driven by Dems.
I don't have any beef with true conservatives, who stood by their principles through 2008. Like I said, I cast my vote for a 3rd party which was conservative in Nov 2008. It is the fake ones who drive me crazy.
Now I must ask this question: if there are so many true conservatives around, then why did the conservative 3rd parties get so few votes? Just wondering.....
What the hell made you think they were supported under Bush? Conservatives OPPOSED IT all along.. its Liberals who rolled over whining and crying when Bush did it, and not only now do they think it saved the world, but credit Obama with it..
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