Bible Verse Numbers found on Scope sold to US Military (healthcare, leader)
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While the Religious Right can gladly go f--k themselves and quit shoving their belief in make believe down everyone's throat; how does the Christian Right in the US resemble the Taliban in just about anything? I would like a serious answer from you.
Yes, over Lazarus and the unbelief of the people around him. It has nothing to do with the discussion here. That's what takes away your credibility - that kind of twisting and taking quotes out of context.
oooh, just like the xians do.
"The rest of us" ?? are you one of them? BTW, WHY do they blow themselves up? Never could figure that out. Just because somebody told them to? Dumb.
Try desperation and contempt for the US. After all, we did attack a sovereign nation for what reason?
Wars are a part of life. An unfortunate, lousy part of life on this planet. It is what it is. Jesus said it would be so:
When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. Mark 13:6-8
War does not have to be part of life.
Some posters' motives are always suspect; I've come to expect that.
Yes, so is yours. If you knew anything about Jesus, you would know that.
Then you know that there is no proof that there ever was a Jesus. His cult followers leave a lot to be desired.
As a matter of fact, complaints were filed by soldiers. You're right, the makers of these scopes sure are making a mountain out of a mole hill by putting bible codes on them. It'd probably save them time and money by just using a regular serial number system. I wonder if they quality inspect for book, verse and passage number?
And pass the cost on to the taxpayer.
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Originally Posted by magellan
Sounds like the rifle scopes with inscriptions don't officially violate military policy, but that future orders won't include the inscriptions:
Oh my. Why such anger? Jesus is a historical figure, documented by historians. Yes, there are Christians in prisons. Ever hear of prison ministries, Chuck Colson's being the better known.
They blow themselves up because of "desperation and contempt for the US. ? Are you serious?
No war does not HAVE to be part of life, but it is. What is your solution?
BTW, my responses were to several other posts; I didn't see your name among them. But, that's OK. Gives the angry anti-God crowd the opportunity to vent.
Oh my. Why such anger? Jesus is a historical figure, documented by historians. Yes, there are Christians in prisons. Ever hear of prison ministries, Chuck Colson's being the better known.
They blow themselves up because of "desperation and contempt for the US. ? Are you serious?
No war does not HAVE to be part of life, but it is. What is your solution?
BTW, my responses were to several other posts; I didn't see your name among them. But, that's OK. Gives the angry anti-God crowd the opportunity to vent.
No, Jesus is documented in the bible only. You're using a book to prove itself.
I just want you to keep your religion out of my government. Pretty simple.
Those are my tax dollars used for your cult beliefs.
Your comment about no atheists in foxholes is pure and unadulterated garbage.
You, sir, are simply making things up to suit your religious beliefs that you want to force on everyone else.
I hope you're not talking about my great-nephew who did several tours in Iraq and came back having a really hard time dealing with the guilt of taking lives which went against his seriously devout Catholic upbringing. He joined after 9-11 and knew full well he'd be fighting. But for the others who do join for the so-called free ride can you really blame them for getting that impression when the recruiters and recruiting advertisement talk about little else but the benefits?
I think those who do several tours of duty do so because they believe in the mission. It's to be admired, respected and appreciated. And I do appreciate our military men and women. This expresses it better than I can:
It is the soldier, not the President, who gives us Democracy.
It is the soldier, not Congress, who takes care of us...
...It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, that allows the protestor to burn the flag....Father Dennis O'Brien, US Marine Corps Chaplain.
I think those who do several tours of duty do so because they believe in the mission. It's to be admired, respected and appreciated. And I do appreciate our military men and women. This expresses it better than I can:
It is the soldier, not the President, who gives us Democracy.
It is the soldier, not Congress, who takes care of us...
...It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, that allows the protestor to burn the flag....Father Dennis O'Brien, US Marine Corps Chaplain.
You don't have a choice in the all-volunteer army as to whether or not you do more than one tour. You signed a contract; you do what you're told. You can't quit after one tour unless it's the end of your enlistment. And I see a lot of soldiers quit as soon as they can. I know some people who have been deployed 3-4 times in 5 years.
It is not simply because they believe in the mission; some do; most I've talked to don't. I work on a military base so I'm a little more in touch with them than you seem to be.
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No, Jesus is documented in the bible only. You're using a book to prove itself.
I just want you to keep your religion out of my government. Pretty simple.
Those are my tax dollars used for your cult beliefs.
Your comment about no atheists in foxholes is pure and unadulterated garbage.
You, sir, are simply making things up to suit your religious beliefs that you want to force on everyone else.
I hate to go off topic, but I also hate to see ignorance proliferated. The "foxhole" item is a frequently used saying: "there are no atheists in foxholes". Maybe you've never heard it before.
I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. Just stating them with the freedom of speech that we all enjoy. This is not China (yet); as to your other charges, I have no issue with separation of Church and State as long as the law is not not misused and abused; and Jesus is documented outside of Scripture by historians of the time. All one needs to do to find it is make a search for the info.
As it relates to this topic, not sure where you see your tax dollars used for my "cult beliefs". I doubt that the scripture verse inserted into the serial number added anything to the cost that you had to pay for the weapon.
It could well have been placed there as a blessing to the troops, and an acknowledgement of their sacrifice and service in the cause of freedom..
Jesus said "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:13). There are thousands upon thousands of soldiers over the years who have done that, and just as many were willing to do so.
You don't have a choice in the all-volunteer army as to whether or not you do more than one tour. You signed a contract; you do what you're told. You can't quit after one tour unless it's the end of your enlistment. And I see a log of soldiers quit as soon as they can. I know some people who have been deployed 3-4 times in 5 years.
It is not simply because they believe in the mission; some do; most I've talked to don't. I work on a military base so I'm a little more in touch with them than you seem to be.
That's interesting. Maybe you do know more about this. However, I've seen a lot of interviews and not one of them says he's going back because he has to. They all said they want to - that they can't wait to get back with their fellow soldiers to help get the job done. Even those who have lost limbs and are going through rehab want to go back.
I hate to go off topic, but I also hate to see ignorance proliferated. The "foxhole" item is a frequently used saying: "there are no atheists in foxholes". Maybe you've never heard it before. I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone. Just stating them with the freedom of speech that we all enjoy. This is not China (yet); as to your other charges, I have no issue with separation of Church and State as long as the law is not not misused and abused; and Jesus is documented outside of Scripture by historians of the time. All one needs to do to find it is make a search for the info. As it relates to this topic, not sure where you see your tax dollars used for my "cult beliefs". I doubt that the scripture verse inserted into the serial number added anything to the cost that you had to pay for the weapon. It could well have been placed there as a blessing to the troops, and an acknowledgement of their sacrifice and service in the cause of freedom.. Jesus said "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:13). There are thousands upon thousands of soldiers over the years who have done that, and just as many were willing to do so.
I've heard it and it's inaccurate.
It's a way the religious try to justify themselves. In a word, garbage.
Nope, not really, please find something from the time documenting his existence. The Romans kept excellent records. He's not mentioned.
I'd rather see something from the Koran, you wouldn't mind that, would you? Xians would be the first to whine if that were the case.
I don't care what your make believe Jesus said. It's irrelevant and unproven.
I don't want a blessing from your sky daddy. It's inappropriate and presumptuous; well, yeah, it is xian; the xian taliban. Their way or no way.
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Originally Posted by southward bound
That's interesting. Maybe you do know more about this. However, I've seen a lot of interviews and not one of them says he's going back because he has to. They all said they want to - that they can't wait to get back with their fellow soldiers to help get the job done. Even those who have lost limbs and are going through rehab want to go back.
They don't have a choice. I don't know what you're watching, oops, maybe I do, but they don't have a choice as far as deployments.
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