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Yes, but that's why good leadership is essential, and why rules have to be enforced, especially in the military.
I have no doubt that when blacks and Jews were first allowed in the military, they were harassed too.
It really comes down to the fact that there are many more indians than chiefs. The jr. chiefs came from the indians and many are still tight with their peers. It also comes down to does the leader agree with the bad behavior? As a watch sup I kept a tight leash on my guys. But when they were off duty I had no idea what they did. Oh Some worked out, some hung out in the ships library etc. But to control them 24/7? To monitor their behavior 24/7? Can't be done.
With great leadership - gays have been seriously hurt - and killed ... "accidently". This is a fact.
Something that probably could have been said as an argument against allowing blacks in the military. If there are any incidents, they can be handled with the full extent of the law. Because there may be incidents should not be a reason to allow the military to discharge someone simply because of their sexual preference.
With great leadership - gays have been seriously hurt - and killed ... "accidently". This is a fact.
But then that proves that anti-gay heterosexuals soldiers are aware of the gay soldiers, which means that DADT is meaningless.
I think it's highly likely that gay soldiers have put up with harassment in the past because they know they're second-class citizens in the military. They don't dare speak up about the harassment because they don't want to trigger an investigation into their sexual orientation. Getting rid of DADT would allow them to speak up. If you don't support harassment and abuse of gay soldiers, then you should be for the repeal of DADT.
But then that proves that anti-gay heterosexuals soldiers are aware of the gay soldiers, which means that DADT is meaningless..
To the contrary. DADT has had the impact of REDUCING such incidents - as they happen when the service member is "outted" - either accidently or intentionally.
If you were to have discussions about the issue with troops that go into the battlefield, MANY (not all certainly) will tell you they do not want to serve with "F..." - Gays / Homosexuals.
Something that probably could have been said as an argument against allowing blacks in the military. If there are any incidents, they can be handled with the full extent of the law. Because there may be incidents should not be a reason to allow the military to discharge someone simply because of their sexual preference.
No but it is reason to proceed with caution and forthought. Its easy to say they should be handled . Its harder to get witnesses to testify. Its harder to catch the bad guys.
Better to proceed with caution ease into the change.
We have great laws in this country and I would venture that every one of them are broken from time to time. I would further venture that a good percentage escape convictions.
No explain to the families why their son or daughter is dead or maimed.
Well there were no witnesses and we can't seem to find anyone who had hard feelings against John..
To the contrary. DADT has had the impact of REDUCING such incidents - as they happen when the service member is "outted" - either accidently or intentionally.
If you were to have discussions about the issue with troops that go into the battlefield, MANY (not all certainly) will tell you they do not want to serve with "F..." - Gays / Homosexuals.
Well, it's obviously a cultural bias. I don't know of any evidence that says gay soldiers are worse at performing their jobs than straight soldiers, and all of the other advanced nations of the world are able to allow openly gay people to serve in the military. The U.S. Military is uniquely anti-gay compared to other militaries in the modern world.
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NY TIMES Editorial on the current controversy. Excerpt:
- The principled courage of the Defense Secretary and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is a major step forward for civil rights. Their action leaves no further excuse for Republican lawmakers to go on supporting this discrimination.
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If it weren't for Obama, none of this would be happening at all. McCain made it clear that he opposed repealing DADT.
What matters is that it's getting done, thanks to Obama.
Interesting...
Quote:
A former war hero, McCain said he would support ending the ban once the military's top brass told him that they agreed with the change.
"The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, 'Senator, we ought to change the policy,' then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it," McCain said in October 2006 to an audience of Iowa State University students.
Yep. I was wrong about that. And I'm glad I was. It exposes McCain as a hypocrite.
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he did?
