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Old 02-11-2010, 11:38 PM
 
Location: North Las Vegas
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The demographic of the climate change debate is interesting, more older people disbelieve it than young people. Apparently old people are not capable of believing that humans all 6 billion of us can alter climate, whereas younger people are able to understand the fairly simple science.
It actually has more to do with the older folks (and I am one now, dang) have been around long enough to actually see one or two major weather cycles.

We have seen the massive heat waves and the horrible winters and know that some years will be worse than others. We don't immediately go "Oh no, it was .5 degrees higher than average, I need to buy a hybrid!!!"
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:42 PM
 
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Indeed. A good start would be to get rid of corporate subsidies. Isn't it interesting that teabaggers would never utter a word about tax payer dollars being handed out to corporations? We sure have come a long way since the late 18th century when Tea Party actually had a purpose, and it was meant FOR the people, not corporations.

Wait... corporations are people now.
Not that I wouldn't agree with eliminating subsidies in all energy sectors the fact is the coal and petroleum industry receives very little. For example for electricity generation it comes out to 44 cents per megawatt or about 1/2 a percent of the average monthly bill for a household in the US. Comapre that to almost $25 for wind and solar.

For liquid fuels like gas it's about 3 cents per million BTU which is fractions of a penny per gallon and you can compare that too $5.72 for ethanol.

Those numbers are from 2007: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicer...df/execsum.pdf

Some things to note, while the lions share of subsidies for coal went to R&D the subsidies for wind and solar were direct tax breaks used to subsidize production. Also worthy of noting is those are just the federal subsidies, wind and solar receive substantial subsidies at the state and local levels too.
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:50 PM
 
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It actually has more to do with the older folks (and I am one now, dang) have been around long enough to actually see one or two major weather cycles.
Us older folks have also been around along to have the wool pulled over eyes more than once. What is humorous is I see a lot of the younger crowd here posting many of the things I thought when I was young and dumb.
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Old 02-12-2010, 12:44 AM
 
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Man's activities have NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER in the climate.
I'd appreciate it if you could answer a few questions:
1. Do humanity's activities consume energy and produce waste products?
2. Do humanity's activities have an impact on any aspect of the environment?

Let's focus on the burning of coil and oil products, since these are well-known.
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Old 02-12-2010, 12:55 AM
 
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I'd appreciate it if you could answer a few questions:
1. Do humanity's activities consume energy and produce waste products?
2. Do humanity's activities have an impact on any aspect of the environment?
When a bear ****s in the woods does it have an impact on the environment?
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Old 02-12-2010, 01:07 AM
 
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The anti intellectuals on FOX are amplifying the sentiments of the anti intellectuals in the GOP, all of whom enjoy the support the most clueless people in the developed world.

Rachel Maddow helps bring them up to speed. Smart and pretty, she is.

"If you win the lottery, it does not disprove the existence of a recession"

Rachel Maddow Show


Then "heat" is not the opposite of Global Cooling.


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Old 02-12-2010, 01:09 AM
 
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OP.....

Where is Al Gore, by the way???? Should he be on TV right now proving this silly point??
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Old 02-12-2010, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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This thread, and hundreds of others like it, give climate change deniers the chance to prove, once again, the power of anti intellectualism and rejection of scientific data from decades of research.

Americans continue to prove they are the dumbest people in the industrialized world.

When Sarah Palin and George W. Bush cast doubt on climate change it's easy to see they both find a receptive audience
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Old 02-12-2010, 06:31 AM
 
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So old people who have lived through and experienced climate fluctuations and weather pattern changes can't grasp a simple concept that young people who have never experienced them, can. Okay. Maybe the young people don't have the judgement to be able to understand they're falling for alot of bad science and political salesmanship?
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Old 02-12-2010, 07:05 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The demographic of the climate change debate is interesting, more older people disbelieve it than young people.
I recall another study that found a correlation between age and the belief of Santa and the tooth fairy.
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