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I would also say that indivuduals within a union have NO power with the unions. the Unions just steal their money and do what they want.
Yes they have power. All it takes is 30% signatures to de-certify.
Same rules that apply for forming also apply to de-certifying. They are not STUCK unless they do nothing.
Three people sued out of 40,000 in the union. What does that suggest? The simple answer to these three people's problem is to just not accept state funded daycare clients and don't use state resources to operate their daycares thus they won't have to join the AFSCME state worker's union. Big deal. They lost their lawsuit. Dead issue.
Three people sued out of 40,000 in the union. What does that suggest? The simple answer to these three people's problem is to just not accept state funded daycare clients and don't use state resources to operate their daycares thus they won't have to join the AFSCME state worker's union. Big deal. They lost their lawsuit. Dead issue.
I will agree to the extent that if one does not want to accept government intervention they should not accept government subsidies. Dancing with the devil always has a price.
However, unionization of private industry should NOT be paid for by the federal government (a.k.a. every taxpayer).
Yes they have power. All it takes is 30% signatures to de-certify.
Same rules that apply for forming also apply to de-certifying. They are not STUCK unless they do nothing.
They are stuck. They didn't form a new union just for childcare center owners. They were absorbed into a much larger union. They cannot just de-certify that larger union. And the childcare center owners were never organized.
It's like if all the McDonald's employees were organized. And then someone in Michigan said, hey, let's send a letter to everybody who runs one of those little ice cream trucks and put them in the McDonald's union, because, you know, McDonald's sells ice cream. So a letter gets sent, and most of the ice-cream truck owners toss it, they don't work for McDonald's--they're self-employed. Nope, the state created an employer, the Michigan Ice Cream Vendors Association, for the purpose of maintaining ice cream standards, and suddenly the independent truck owners are working for the MICVA and belong to the McDonald's union. Now, they cannot de-certify the McDonald's union, because it's a BIG union.
I doubt it's just three but it doesn;t matter if it's one person, if you're a small private business you should never be forced to pay union dues just because you're accepting subsidy money for your clients.
I'll ask again where is the benefit other than to the Union?
I doubt it's just three but it doesn;t matter if it's one person, if you're a small private business you should never be forced to pay union dues just because you're accepting subsidy money for your clients.
I'll ask again where is the benefit other than to the Union?
Does the Union provide Health Care or other benefits?
I doubt it's just three but it doesn;t matter if it's one person, if you're a small private business you should never be forced to pay union dues just because you're accepting subsidy money for your clients.
I'll ask again where is the benefit other than to the Union?
Yes, it was only three people who sued out of the potential 40,000 daycare providers who accept state money, and you can't tell me their lawyer didn't try to get more involved. If he didn't he was about as bright as the 'black' in a box of crayons. (Read my linked article below.)
I don't know anything about the state worker's union and what benefits they fought to get their members. All I know is that no one is forcing these people who sued to accept state money for caring for children from poor families. Many daycare businesses thrive just dandy without doing that which they could do, too, if they are so opposed to paying union dues.
Petoskey News-Review - Appeals court dismisses union dues day care case (http://www.petoskeynews.com/news/article_a79b1040-facd-11de-a695-001cc4c002e0.html - broken link)
Yes, it was only three people who sued out of the potential 40,000 daycare providers who accept state money, and you can't tell me their lawyer didn't try to get more involved. If he didn't he was about as bright as the black crayon in a box. (Read my linked article below.)
I don't know anything about the state worker's union and what benefits they fought to get their members. All I know is that no one is forcing these people who sued to accept state money for caring for children from poor families. Many daycare businesses thrive just dandy without doing that which they could do, too, if they are so opposed to paying union dues.
Petoskey News-Review - Appeals court dismisses union dues day care case (http://www.petoskeynews.com/news/article_a79b1040-facd-11de-a695-001cc4c002e0.html - broken link)
While many daycare businesses thrive without taking poverty level children in, the fact is that accepting poverty level children allows their parents to work, and so is an important service to the community. The day care business owners shouldn't be penalized because they provide that service. And they are being penalized if they have to pay dues to a union to which they don't want to belong.
While many daycare businesses thrive without taking poverty level children in, the fact is that accepting poverty level children allows their parents to work, and so is an important service to the community. The day care business owners shouldn't be penalized because they provide that service. And they are being penalized if they have to pay dues to a union to which they don't want to belong.
You take a paycheck from the state, you are a state worker in the eyes of the court that ruled against these people. Why is that so hard to understand?
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You take a paycheck from the state, you are a state worker in the eyes of the court that ruled against these people. Why is that so hard to understand? These were corporate daycares, not your neighbor-down-the-street type daycares.
I missed the part where they were corporate daycares. When do you become a corporate daycare? When you have 5% of your clients being subsidized, 10%, 20%? Is that when you lose the right to decide for yourself whether to join a union?
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