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Old 02-16-2010, 10:23 AM
 
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The reason why China is kicking our butts economically from a widely recognized source from both sides of the aisle.

"As Norbert Sporns, a Seattle-based CEO, recently said, "The major reason why we're [now] sited [in China] is not because of cheaper labor, but because of government support, because of the infrastructure that is laid out properly"."

Its time to stop drinking the "free trade" Kool Aid because its destroying our manufacturing sector along with the American middle class.

 
Old 02-16-2010, 10:46 AM
 
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China's government is like the Borg from Star Trek. It literally just thinks about where it wants to go and it goes there. While there are several benefits for efficiency's sake, it's an extremely dangerous form of government where the rights of people are not respected. America was founded specifically to make it difficult or impossible to install a socialist democracy. The checks and balances would make bills watered down and ineffective. You'd think this would stop legislators from actually moving forward on them, but with foreigners buying up Treasuries we have been able to create the illusion of this system working within our form of government. It will end badly.

If we were all robots, the best form of government would be a benevolent dictatorship. Unfortunately, we're all human.
 
Old 02-16-2010, 10:52 AM
 
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China's government is like the Borg from Star Trek. It literally just thinks about where it wants to go and it goes there. While there are several benefits for efficiency's sake, it's an extremely dangerous form of government where the rights of people are not respected. America was founded specifically to make it difficult or impossible to install a socialist democracy. The checks and balances would make bills watered down and ineffective. You'd think this would stop legislators from actually moving forward on them, but with foreigners buying up Treasuries we have been able to create the illusion of this system working within our form of government. It will end badly.
If we were all robots, the best form of government would be a benevolent dictatorship. Unfortunately, we're all human.
Well, you're certainly a shining beacon of hope and sunshine.
 
Old 02-16-2010, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Richmond
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China's government is like the Borg from Star Trek. It literally just thinks about where it wants to go and it goes there. While there are several benefits for efficiency's sake, it's an extremely dangerous form of government where the rights of people are not respected. America was founded specifically to make it difficult or impossible to install a socialist democracy. The checks and balances would make bills watered down and ineffective. You'd think this would stop legislators from actually moving forward on them, but with foreigners buying up Treasuries we have been able to create the illusion of this system working within our form of government. It will end badly.

If we were all robots, the best form of government would be a benevolent dictatorship. Unfortunately, we're all human.
Sounds like they're doing something right, then.
 
Old 02-16-2010, 10:55 AM
 
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The reason why China is kicking our butts economically from a widely recognized source from both sides of the aisle.
"As Norbert Sporns, a Seattle-based CEO, recently said, "The major reason why we're [now] sited [in China] is not because of cheaper labor, but because of government support, because of the infrastructure that is laid out properly"."
Its time to stop drinking the "free trade" Kool Aid because its destroying our manufacturing sector along with the American middle class.

Without a strong manufaturing sector, we wil never again have a thriving muddle class. We went from being the world's largest creditor nation to the world's largest debtor nation. People will continue to sing the praises of Walmart and stores like it because they can purchase cheap $hit and toxic products from China. The voice of reason will fall on deaf ears and numb brains. I have posted many links and you would be amazed at how vehemently posters defend this practice of not demanding better.
 
Old 02-16-2010, 10:58 AM
 
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The reason why China is kicking our butts economically from a widely recognized source from both sides of the aisle.
"As Norbert Sporns, a Seattle-based CEO, recently said, "The major reason why we're [now] sited [in China] is not because of cheaper labor, but because of government support, because of the infrastructure that is laid out properly"."
Its time to stop drinking the "free trade" Kool Aid because its destroying our manufacturing sector along with the American middle class.
Take a good look at the damage they did to their Air, Water and Soil.

Allegedly they have made great strides in cleaning up and reforming their regulations for pullution. But they did some major, nasty, toxic damage to themselves.
 
Old 02-16-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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Take a good look at the damage they did to their Air, Water and Soil.
Allegedly they have made great strides in cleaning up and reforming their regulations for pullution. But they did some major, nasty, toxic damage to themselves.
True, but that will not deter them. Lives seem to be expendable to the Chinese. If some of their worker bees drop dead, there wil be more to fill the gap. They will intrude on other nation's for resources as their's diminish. The Chinese are a mercenary bunch and sadly, we have become the enablers with our over consumption and lack of ethics. Their pollution is not just staying put...it is affecting the atmosphere in general.

Chinese pollution quietly takes toll in Japan
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Ch...Japan_999.html
 
Old 02-16-2010, 11:08 AM
 
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"As Norbert Sporns, a Seattle-based CEO, recently said, "The major reason why we're [now] sited [in China] is not because of cheaper labor, but because of government support, because of the infrastructure that is laid out properly"."
This part is very telling.. Compare this to america where we would rather make businesses into arch enemies of society instead of supporting them.
 
Old 02-16-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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The reason why China is kicking our butts economically from a widely recognized source from both sides of the aisle.

"As Norbert Sporns, a Seattle-based CEO, recently said, "The major reason why we're [now] sited [in China] is not because of cheaper labor, but because of government support, because of the infrastructure that is laid out properly"."
China is kicking our butts because of corporate welfare. Interesting...
 
Old 02-16-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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While I don't object to the basic underlying premise of the thread, national industrial policy vs the absence of one...

Kicking butt?

China has a GDP of 4.33 trillion dollars. The U.S. economy is valued at 14.2 trillion dollars.
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