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The UHC (NHS) in the UK is fully supported by the British people. Health is NOT a issue in the UK but is a HUGE issue in the USA....... that is because the UHC works and the current Health System in the USA does not work. The USA system is failing more and more Americans everyday. The USA system is responsible for more personal bankruptcy than anything else in the USA. The USA system is responsible for over 26,000 deaths every year. The USA system NO LONGER works.
I can without any fear of contradiction say that the British public do not want to get rid of the NHS. No system is perfect but EVERY person in the UK goes to bed at night knowing that if they become sick they will get medical treatment without ANY fear of financial loss. NO one in the UK is afraid to visit the Doctor or Hospital...... This CANNOT be said about America. I now know the difference between the American Health structure and the UK health structure as i use them both. I know which is better for its Citizens and it most certainly is NOT the USA model.
Health care isn't an issue in the UK? Are you sure about that? No one is afraid to visit a hospital? Maybe not, and you seem to think that's because the hospitals are so good, but perhaps it's because the problems aren't being reported. Here's an article from the UK's "The Independent" which states, in part,
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The regulators not only turned a blind eye to the cost cuts, they seem to have rewarded the Trust for it. It is true that the Healthcare Commission, did, in the end, sound the alarm over Stafford after being alerted to higher than usual death rates. But that does not excuse the fact that it – along with other monitoring bodies – missed the problem for years, during which hundreds of patients died needlessly. The NHS's regulators clearly need to ovverhaul their own procedures.
Yeah, that government run health care is just great. Perhaps Brits OUGHT to be afraidd to go to hospital, eh?
I could quaudruple my NH tax for my healthcare, unemployment benefits, disability benefits, retirement benefits etc etc etc etc and it would still be far cheaper than the monthly premiums just for standard helthcare in the USA. No one gets something for nothing but to compare what a UHC costs per month and the Private Insurance in the USA for healthcare is really not a place where anti health reformers want to go.
I love what you're saying geeoro, but alas you're p***ing in the wind. Americans have no concept of what it's like to have "socialized healthcare". They don't understand the freedom felt, knowing that they're not bound to their miserable jobs for the health benefits. or that if some medical disaster occurs they won't risk bankruptcy.
Just like those from other countries don't understand the concept of paying $1,200 a month for health insurance for a family.
I have been without HI and have had to think twice about taking my sick child for treatment. No mother should have to make decisions like that. Ironically, I'm a nurse and because I worked part time I wasn't eligible for benefits. And did the hospital I work for offer any kind of employee discount? No, because they are a business, and it's all about the bottom line.
Health care isn't an issue in the UK? Are you sure about that? No one is afraid to visit a hospital? Maybe not, and you seem to think that's because the hospitals are so good, but perhaps it's because the problems aren't being reported. Here's an article from the UK's "The Independent" which states, in part,
Yeah, that government run health care is just great. Perhaps Brits OUGHT to be afraidd to go to hospital, eh?
If I had to pick a country to live, solely based on health care, I would pick the UK. No questions asked. I see and meet people, here at home, who would have retired but are still working until they qualify for Medicare. They are very afraid to retire, much less think about hospitals (if one can afford one).
So, you think American system has no issues, and works wonderfully and if left as is, will do be the best thing that will happen to it.
If I had to pick a country to live, solely based on health care, I would pick the UK. No questions asked. I see and meet people, here at home, who would have retired but are still working until they qualify for Medicare. They are very afraid to retire, much less think about hospitals (if one can afford one).
So, you think American system has no issues, and works wonderfully and if left as is, will do be the best thing that will happen to it.
Please return to reality.
Nowhere did I say or in any way imply that the American health insurance system is perfect. Nowhere did I say or imply that the American health insurance system should be left as it is. Wht I did was to show the fallacy of the post to which I reponded, as regards hospitals in the UK. Can you dispute the truth of what I posted?
If you aren't going to repsond at all to my post, why include my post in yours at all? To pretend I said something that in fact I never did? What does that do for you, other than make you look foolish?
Healthcare is amazing in America as long as you have enough money to pay high insurance premiums or you havs a gold plated diamond encrusted healthcare plan such as the decision makers in Washington or the Media anti health reform pundits such as Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, Rove etc. These people who have Normal Americans health in their hands really do NOT care whether Mr and Mrs America curl up in pain and fade away or become bankrupt because of America's one sided health system. The top earners, decision makers, wealthy or the ones with good on the job health cover are pretty pleased with the status quo and will fight tooth and nail to keep it.
Republicans now see the health debate as the foot in the door back to power.Everyday Americans are just collateral damage to them in their quest for the Whitehouse.
UHC has become a word of fear in America because of fear and brainwashing by the powerful who would rather see good honest Americans go bankrupt or even die than give up their "Elite" health cover.
I am in the UK at the moment recovering from Emergency Surgery from a badly gangrous gall bladder.
I doubled up in pain last Thursday and was rushed into Hospital by Ambulance. Straight into the Emergency room. Medical team straight in to see me. Pain killers and tests were immediately done. I was taken to a ward kept under Obs and more tests. By then it was Friday morning and i was taken to the Theatre and the Consultant Operated on me. Keyhole surgery and complete success.
Monday am... feeling great.... given pain killers, anti biotics etc to take with me and going home.
Tuesday up and about .... going to my GP tomorrow to get wounds checked etc etc.
No out of pocket expenses and Nothing to pay for the drugs etc etc.
I paid my NHS insurance every month i worked in the UK and that was that. No Bankruptcy, No sleepless nights, No hidden suprises. If i had been unemployed or on benefits or just a UK citizen or legal resident i would have got exactly the same treatment etc.
This must be the DEMON UHC!
STOP letting the people with self interest fool good honest American's that a UHC or Govt run health plan is bad for you...... it is the best investment America could ever make and would create millions upon millions of NEW jobs.
Get real America and give America back to good honest American's and not the plaything of the decision makers and overpayed media who now dictate to America and the next time you pick up a glass and wish "good health" you mean it for ALL Americans and not just the ones at the top.
For the first time in America, create a real AMERICAN health service for All Americans.
I say...all you liberal/Socialist goofballs should put up or shut up!
With your taxes, (if you actually pay taxes) you should donate your returns and set up a H.C. account for a need person...No?
But as usual..liberals are only good at giving way "other" peoples money!
If the American health care system is not the best, how come people from all over he world come here for expert treatment? Including from big (social medicine) Canada?
Come to think of it, how come people from all over the world come here? and are willing to wait for years, or run across the border. America is great!
It's the only country that even if you come from nothing you can still make it, and even become the President.
The OP was very lucky to get in so fast to the hospital.
I actually read that some people are left in the ambulance out side the hospital, so that the hospital will be able to admit them before the four hours dead line for admission expire.
He should be also glad he is not 70, and a medical board decide whether it's worth it to treat him.
Yes, America's health system could improve, open competition over state lines etc.
But to trust the government to be a health care provider?
No way!
They cannot handle the IRS, INS and even not the post office. So no thank you!
I say...all you liberal/Socialist goofballs should put up or shut up!
With your taxes, (if you actually pay taxes) you should donate your returns and set up a H.C. account for a need person...No?
But as usual..liberals are only good at giving way "other" peoples money!
I have often toyed with the idea of, setting up a charitable fund for people with out insurance, the ones that lost a job and don't qualify for medicare, you know, the tweeners.
To all those clamoring against socialized medicine. Well were already there with our current system. The govt spends about 70% of all medical costs (through our taxes).
Private insurance is really a small portion of the total and it overpays by subsidizing the govt covered items.
Really the obama plan is simply to increase benefits. This will not work we need to cut spending.
I say...all you liberal/Socialist goofballs should put up or shut up!
With your taxes, (if you actually pay taxes) you should donate your returns and set up a H.C. account for a need person...No?
But as usual..liberals are only good at giving way "other" peoples money!
What on earth makes you feel only liberal goofballs suffer under our current "very large quasi monopolized healthcare delivery system" that allows collution and price fixing? That it allows it to jump from state to state that places the least amount of moral regulation on them? A powerful nation that allows large industry to place American families in absolute real life threatening situations by denying treatment and coverage in order to maximize profit? Having a two tier system that protects one group (Group Coverage) over another group (Independant Coverage). A system where insurance companies have had their way with Americans by forcing undesirables onto the public domains such as Medicare, Medicaid, American Indian Care, the VA in order to maximize profit. Now more and more of the middle class is getting the big squeeze. Republican response? Create a new high risk pool for these Americans so the insurance industry can maximize profits. Do I need to mention Tort reform? Who profits the most? What would the republican party argue? "Insurance companies would profit the most" but the trickle down effect will soon follow to its policy holders. Well, don't hold your breath.
Make no mistake this is all very real. It happens to American communist, socialist, liberal goofballs, independents and conservatives.
Wow, 40 pages of back and forth over comparison between British and American health care.......................Two different cultures that developed in decidedly different ways..........................One that elects its leader every 4 years, good bad or indifferent .......and another, though similar, that bows to a dowdy old woman in funny hats and old woman dresses........
Whats to compare....................If you like your system so well, than you just stay over there and keep it. We really wont mind
But dont come over here and complain because we dont have nor want your system.......seems we had a little discussion about that 200 years ago and you lost?
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