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Old 03-28-2010, 09:24 PM
 
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Bascailly we need to realise that many of the skills that people ahve are early 20th centruy skills and can't be sold in this century for teh price we want. The third world has the same skills ;machinery to do them and no one is going to pay you more for the same skill.The dropout rate alone assures a smaller middle class in the future. There is absolutely nothing that can be done about in in the near future.In the future the industrial revolution will be to produce products for a ever growing demand in countries like china and india. There will those that proper and those that become more and more dependent on those people.

 
Old 03-28-2010, 10:46 PM
 
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Bascailly we need to realise that many of the skills that people ahve are early 20th centruy skills and can't be sold in this century for teh price we want. The third world has the same skills ;machinery to do them and no one is going to pay you more for the same skill.The dropout rate alone assures a smaller middle class in the future. There is absolutely nothing that can be done about in in the near future.In the future the industrial revolution will be to produce products for a ever growing demand in countries like china and india. There will those that proper and those that become more and more dependent on those people.

So this is the grand strategy for solving America's problem.

Just rage against big government and Obama while saying no to any and all possible solutions?!

Are you aware of the kinds of jobs we are losing?

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Happy, you still might be interested in this.

"Meanwhile, a global tech junta secretly carries out its "Dirty War" -- 20 years now -- against American scientific and technical professionals, continually inventing domestic laws to disappear us.

Mischaracterized by beltway insiders as "guest worker" programs, this misnomer camouflages the ugly truth: these visas are for companies -- not workers.

Corporate visa laws, written by lobbyists, have digitally re-mastered Jim Crow.

We successfully lobbied Senator Durbin (D-IL) to introduce H-1b and L-1 Reform legislation (S.887). It will stop the legal discrimination by requiring companies to seek local talent and force them to post their job openings on DOL's web site. S.887 promises to end the displacement of Americans and the outsourcing of American jobs."


I don't know how the free trade nuts are going rationalize against this one.

But they will.
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And the plot thickens.

"But it was an even sweeter deal for companies–many of them U.S.-based multinationals–who chose China as an export platform. And their profit came at the expense of American workers.

The biggest job losses come not from low-tech industries that have famously lost many jobs to Chinese exports, such as apparel and textile, but from high-tech computers and electronics (which accounted for 40 percent of the growth of the trade deficit with China from 2001 to 2008), Scott reports. There were also large job losses in other manufacturing and metalworking industries, as well as some service industries, such as administrative support and professional, scientific and technical services (about 139,000 jobs lost). "


I wonder why I never hear any calls for our corporate neighbors (they are persons after all, thank you SCOTUS) to be patriotic.

Maybe its because they are citizens of the world.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 02:45 AM
 
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Lets see the party people put their money where their mouth is.

"If the Senate isn't prepared to give consumers an independent cop on the beat, if it isn't prepared to break up banks that taxpayers will have to bail out, if it isn't even willing to require that your stock broker act in your best interests - then raise bloody hell. Take down names and mobilize."

Party people should also be interested that Fannie lovin' Frankie is ready to have a showdown on financial reform.

And last but not least Party people, is it capitalism that people get rewarded for failure and gaming other people's money?

Before answering that try reading this first.
Not free market capitalism .... crony capitalism yes. And that is exactly what we have ... crony capitalism funded by funny money, and protected by the very regulating agencies that were supposed to keep Wall Street, the Financial Houses, and the corporations on the straight and narrow.

The issue is corruption of the system ... not the system itself. The corruption of government agencies and officials are allowing this to take place. We have a great constitution. The trouble is, we have a group of criminals in government that violate that constitution on a daily basis.

Strict adherence to the constitution, and criminal prosecution for the violators would correct most of the difficulties we currently face.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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Not free market capitalism .... crony capitalism yes. And that is exactly what we have ... crony capitalism funded by funny money, and protected by the very regulating agencies that were supposed to keep Wall Street, the Financial Houses, and the corporations on the straight and narrow.

The issue is corruption of the system ... not the system itself. The corruption of government agencies and officials are allowing this to take place. We have a great constitution. The trouble is, we have a group of criminals in government that violate that constitution on a daily basis.

Strict adherence to the constitution, and criminal prosecution for the violators would correct most of the difficulties we currently face.
The system is in need of a serious upgrade, that's for sure.

I wonder how will grass roots party people (the ones who can't afford 100K conventions and are generally described as older Americans) are responding to calls to remove THEIR government benefits.

Social security (http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/03/26/our-grandmothers-ourselves-social-security-under-fire-9203/ - broken link) in particular.

"Back in December, Ben Bernanke launched a shot over the bow, evoking legendary bank robber Willie Sutton to describe how he wanted to raid retirement and health care funds: “That’s where the money is.” Congress, he reminded us, could even repeal Social Security and Medicare."

But there are economists that see this as just another scam.

"This is priority number one for Wall Street now, since it has lost trillions of dollars and is massively insolvent. It needs more government bail-out and it wants your Social Security."

The system needs to be shored up, but it is not a drag on the budget.

"In response to a recent Associated Press story, EPI’s Monique Morrissey pointed that the Congressional Budget Office—the source for AP’s dire account—has reported the trust fund for Social Security is actually still growing."

So party people, do you have the stones to finally stand up to Wall Street?

Or do you prefer to show your bravery and bravado by talking trash about skinny little Pelosi?
 
Old 03-29-2010, 12:02 PM
 
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Okay party people your public servant has spoken.

Are you serious about putting a stop to the shenanigans of Wall Street or not?

You're against government corruption right but what about corporate corruption and interference in people's lives?
It's the same thing, pal. Where do you think the government corruption comes from? The tooth fairy ?

The blatant love fest between our elected representatives and their "sponsors" has never been more clearly demonstrated than in this, the greatest financial heist in human history that has taken place over the past couple of years ... started by Bush, and accelerated under Obama, and passed along to the dimwitted public as necessary to save our economy from doom. And many will tell you that IN FACT, Obama HAS SAVED US from this doom by giving Trillions to the banker gangsters.

Of course, don't ask them to explain HOW this has saved us ... unless you want an insane circular argument devoid of one iota of common sense in response.

Of course, these same people support the insane notion that further damaging the economy .. more pressure on jobs ... and a new set of taxes is the key to creating a better healthcare system.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 12:12 PM
 
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It's the same thing, pal. Where do you think the government corruption comes from? The tooth fairy ?

The blatant love fest between our elected representatives and their "sponsors" has never been more clearly demonstrated than in this, the greatest financial heist in human history that has taken place over the past couple of years ... started by Bush, and accelerated under Obama, and passed along to the dimwitted public as necessary to save our economy from doom. And many will tell you that IN FACT, Obama HAS SAVED US from this doom by giving Trillions to the banker gangsters.

Of course, don't ask them to explain HOW this has saved us ... unless you want an insane circular argument devoid of one iota of common sense in response.

Of course, these same people support the insane notion that further damaging the economy .. more pressure on jobs ... and a new set of taxes is the key to creating a better healthcare system.
The problem I have with the angry and fed up people is that:

1. Not only do they not offer any solutions, they vehemently attack any idea other than more deregulation and more tax cuts, which furthers the problem of the deficit and more leeway for robber barons to rob.

2. Have they ever protested on Wall Street? Have they ever called out corporate corruption? They seem like bullies because I have not seen one of them take their picket signs and rhetoric to any financial institution.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 12:25 PM
 
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The system is in need of a serious upgrade, that's for sure.

I wonder how will grass roots party people (the ones who can't afford 100K conventions and are generally described as older Americans) are responding to calls to remove THEIR government benefits.

Social security (http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/03/26/our-grandmothers-ourselves-social-security-under-fire-9203/ - broken link) in particular.

"Back in December, Ben Bernanke launched a shot over the bow, evoking legendary bank robber Willie Sutton to describe how he wanted to raid retirement and health care funds: “That’s where the money is.” Congress, he reminded us, could even repeal Social Security and Medicare."

But there are economists that see this as just another scam.

"This is priority number one for Wall Street now, since it has lost trillions of dollars and is massively insolvent. It needs more government bail-out and it wants your Social Security."

The system needs to be shored up, but it is not a drag on the budget.

"In response to a recent Associated Press story, EPI’s Monique Morrissey pointed that the Congressional Budget Office—the source for AP’s dire account—has reported the trust fund for Social Security is actually still growing."

So party people, do you have the stones to finally stand up to Wall Street?

Or do you prefer to show your bravery and bravado by talking trash about skinny little Pelosi?
Look guy, if the congress critters were doing their duty ... Wall Street wouldn't be able to run our economy off a cliff with their gigantic ponzi schemes, and that of the fraudulent Federal Reserve fleecing us bald.

This is where the problem lies ... the results of which are just the fruits of this corruption ...

All of the legislation ... the regulations guarding against this type of criminal conduct from the financial sector has been slowly whittled away through other legislation by these low life scumbags in congress who are bought and paid for. You know, our lawmakers who don't even bother to READ the legislation they pass into law ... let alone consider the impact of those laws?

We have a group of bribe takers posing as elected officials that allow corporate lobbyists (read: bribers) to fashion legislation to their liking ... that is, to issue them legal licenses to steal.

Sure, it's legitimate to blame the thieves ... but when the "Police" (congress) are facilitating the robbery, that's the place to clean up first ... you will never end corruption .. you can only manage it, and prosecute the offenders and make the punishment too severe to risk doing the crime.

Can you imagine what would happen if the police announced tomorrow that they would no longer be responding to calls of bank robbery? There wouldn't be a bank with money left in it within a week.

This is what has in effect happened. Congress is on the take, agencies like the Securities & Exchange Commission have turned a blind eye to blatant, overt criminal activities across the board.

You think gangsters will self regulate?
 
Old 03-29-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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The problem I have with the angry and fed up people is that:

1. Not only do they not offer any solutions, they vehemently attack any idea other than more deregulation and more tax cuts, which furthers the problem of the deficit and more leeway for robber barons to rob.

2. Have they ever protested on Wall Street? Have they ever called out corporate corruption? They seem like bullies because I have not seen one of them take their picket signs and rhetoric to any financial institution.
Friend, you don't "protest" to criminals. You arrest them and put them behind bars. And our elected officials are the "law" .. with the responsibility and the authority to do that. They refuse to do it ... worse, they are enabling the criminal activity. That is where the problem begins ... you want to protest the results, and not the cause.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 12:42 PM
 
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Friend, you don't "protest" to criminals. You arrest them and put them behind bars. And our elected officials are the "law" .. with the responsibility and the authority to do that. They refuse to do it ... worse, they are enabling the criminal activity. That is where the problem begins ... you want to protest the results, and not the cause.
Why don't they channel their anger and drive into public campaign finance reform, huh?

Lets move toward publicly funded campaigns instead of ever increasing record breaking million dollar races.

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One simple solution that for some reason people always ignore.

Public,....., Campaign,......, Finance,......., Reform,......., NOW!
Why not that?

Any politician that does not vote for such a reform should be in danger of losing their job.

That would help alleviate many of the problems caused by big business butting into the national business.
 
Old 03-29-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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Why don't they channel their anger and drive into public campaign finance reform, huh?

Lets move toward publicly funded campaigns instead of ever increasing record breaking million dollar races.



Why not that?

Any politician that does not vote for such a reform should be in danger of losing their job.

That would help alleviate many of the problems caused by big business butting into the national business.
There are a lot of things that COULD be done ... but the American people collectively are too busy worshiping Obama, or championing their little pet causes ... constantly arguing the left-right nonsense as is demonstrated on this board.

That half the population considers the very idea that a cabal of international bankers control this country and it's politics a "conspiracy theory" is a significant portion of the problem. You cannot beat an enemy that too many think don't even exist.

The first step in the process must be to expose these criminals ... who they are ... what they are doing ... and how they are doing it, before effective measures can be taken.

You, yourself have already muddied the water with this business about protesting Wall Street. As long as we keep chasing tails, the head of the beast is free to continue to devour us.

The public financing of political campaigns is a great idea for the future, but until the integrity of the monetary system is addressed, such things would only be putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound.

Here's the deal .. the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 handed over the power to control our monetary system to private international bankers. That means that ALL money the government needs to operate comes from the Federal Reserve ... not from taxes. The taxes collected go straight to the Federal Reserve to pay only the interest on the debt (fraudulently) owed them. And so long as that situation exists, I don't care what type of campaign finance is in place. The two major parties ... the leadership of those parties control their members (the individual politicians), and the bankers control the parties ... BOTH parties. That's why nothing ever changes. The money masters are the puppet masters who pull the strings of these politicians, including the president.

Obama controls NOTHING. Obama decides NOTHING. Obama does as he's TOLD, as has been the case of every president since John F. Kennedy, who was the last president who "misunderstood" his role, and paid the price.

There are only two option available. 1) for some miracle to occur which prompted congress to pass legislation repealing the Federal Reserve Act, and confiscating the assets of the FED under RICO (which would certainly stand up in an honest court). Or, 2) States, by reasserting States rights under the 9th and 10th amendments, the states could nullify much of the criminal activity of the FED and the federal government by refusing to enforce unlawful laws and unconstitutional mandates, to include the collective extortion racket being conducted against the American people by the Federal Reserve's collection agency .. the IRS.

Neither of these actions are likely to occur until the crooks in government begin to feel that the American people are to be feared more than the FED gangsters, since these traitors are only concerned with their own self interests.

That is not an incitement to violence by the way, but to collective actions forcing our elected officials to act lawfully, uphold the constitution, or face removal from office, criminal prosecution, and prison time. Not everyone is a crook, but those that are not are just outnumbered by those that are.

But WE outnumber the crooks by astronomical numbers.
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