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Not all kaffir are fools ahki. Radical (orthodox) Islam will expand regardless until it is destroyed. Wherever you find Islam, there is radicalism. Everywhere: Kenya. Nigeria. Djbouti. Somalia. Xinjiang. Levant. Arabia. Mesopotamia. Khorasan. Anatolia. Sahel. Balkins. Egypt. Algeria. Malyasia. Indonesia. Philipines. London. Dearport. Fairfax.
It's no longer soley about Al Qaeda, radical islam is the enemy. Understand that. Labels do not matter. There is no room in the civilized world for radical Islam and it needs to be identified, confronted and destroyed.
As long as the U.S. continues its wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, this will only strengthen Al-Qaeda's cause, this will give them the power to attract and brainwash more teenagers than before.
Which is why you can't tell me, "the Afghani Taliban... get supported enormously in the countryside". "The Taliban has popular support," etc...
So please stop with the lies and misinformation. Uzbeks (Dostum) want nothing to do with the Taliban. Hazaras (shia) which we've discussed want nothing to do with the Taliban (sunni). Tajiks (Masood/Panjshir Valley) want nothing nothing to do with them. Turkmen want nothing to do with em. The Afghani side of the Swat Valley, you may find some villages who support Taliban but outside there, it's diminishing returns.
Accept it buddy, if the Taliban were hated, they would have failed in their missions the same way Al-Qaeda in Iraq did. Just stop denying that they dont get supported, because they have solid bases in the north.
Mossomo you have to understand that the overall support for these warlords is really low compared to the Taliban.
How do you absolve muslim fanaticism. Radical (orthodox) Islam IS THE RESULT OF THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD. Not the U.S or the West.
Hey Sarge, need a link or do you think you can figure this one out?
Keep in mind that Al-Qaeda was supported in the 1980s by the U.S., the U.S. was happy to see Pakistan inviting over 100,000 radicals together to fight the soviets, and they had Bin-Laden on their payroll, sadly this move backfired .
You have freedom of expression. You have expressed your views align with jiahadists. Everything you say, talking points and logic, I've seen repeated on the jiahadi web boards.
My view does not align with jihadists because i don't support their actions but i only support the Afghani Taliban over the current government, and when i do you just assume im an al-qaeda supporter lol.
What year and what months? So outside those several months, women had freedom of movement? So by 2000 women no longer needed a male escort?
Man im not making these things, i had been in contact with a lot of Afghans who lived under the Taliban and i was told by what they saw, its true life may have been stricter but Women were not oppressed the same way the media made it sound. Women were allowed to go out by themselves, life was normal.
In 2001, The Taliban, Education and Health Policy Toward Girls. (untold Truth)
"According to a survey by the Swedish Comittie for Afghanistan (SCA), 80% of girls schools were located in rural afghanistan and under the Taliban were operating in full swing. Ms Pia Karlsson, education advisor at the SCA, said 85% of girls were stil in schools. In KunduzProvince, under the Taliban, 122 girls schools were operating, with 390 registered female teachers!"
This afghani woman national has a different opinion: Belquis Ahmadi (http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/02/news_ahmadi021902.htm - broken link).
In 2002 most Afghans were happy,even i was happy they were ousted, but no one expected the U.S. to hire back brutal warlords, and revive corruption. Today the overall life for women got worse, the life expectancy is lower, violence against them raised, drug addiction rising among them, they're prone to rape, etc.
with all due respect, using 9-11 as an excuse for all of this is not defensible. WE could have stopped 9-11 with either better border control (which we still don't have, which makes this whole effort pointless!) or acting on the information that had been provided before 9-11 on the training that was going on IN OUR OWN COUNTRY by these TERRORISTS.
is fighting in afghanistan, pakistan, iraq, and soon to be iran stopping people from getting on planes and trying to blow our citizens up? we have to remember what just happened, and only incompetence stopped ANOTHER tragedy.
what these wars do is make it MORE LIKELY that more citizens are going to get on those planes and try to blow our citizens up.
From your point of view i could understand that it didn't make any sense, but for most Afghans this wasn't a really big deal because its prayers. It just means that the players had to stop playing during prayer times, but resume after they pray.
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Hey - that's 2000. Thought you said everything was back to normal in 2000???
Yup, life was returning back to normal, a lot of refugees were returning from neighboring countries because the country was improving and was stabilized.
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This is why I do not like you: Other than identifying with the enemy - identifying with the enemy is seditious John Walker Lihn style; but you are not American, however you are Muslim and while not all Muslims want to kill me, 90% of people trying to kill Americans are muslim and you seem suspect when you support those who are trying to kill us.
Im not supporting those who are trying to kill you, im supporting these poor Afghans who suffer from this war, poverty and corruption the U.S. brought to the country, the next thing you know these poor Afghans join the Taliban to fight NATO/US to take revenge of what happend to them, their villages, houses and their families, they're not Al-Qaeda, they have no intentions to harm the west but they just want their country to be freed from the occupaying forces.
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However in your defense, you haven't publicly called for the deaths of Americans like I hear so often on the totally compromised Ansar al-Islam boards.
I will be honest with you, im sorry if i didn't mention anything about those that died of terrorist attacks in the west, it was obviously wrong and i do not support any of these actions, im totally against it, but we always have to know that innocent people also die from your country's attacks, in Iraq 2 mil died since the invasion, in Afg up to 32 thousand died since the invasion.
The 9/11 attacks that happend in NY was unacceptable, but the U.S. army bombarded almost every part of Afghanistan for a month straight, what kind of revenge is that, they killed 5,000 Afghans who had nothing to do with the Taliban in 1 month, they damaged almost the whole country.
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Continue that line. But still, you omit facts and are duplicitous. You said, "Taliban dont interfere into their lives" but you understand otherwise.
Well im sorry that was the truth, its hard to accept the truth when the media drills its lies onto its audiences. Its hard to change your mind in a day, it will take some time.
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And you didn't answer who Lashkar al Zil is or the significance of Shaykh Mustafa Abu al-Yazid (a.k.a. "Shaykh Saeed al-Masri.")? Hiding something? Please explain away Lashkar al Zil, I still want them explained in your own words, then please continue and tell us about the Haqqani Network, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami.
Shaykh Saeed al-Masri was the financial cheif of Al-Qaeda, he also transerred mad money to the hijack leader Mohammed Atta before 9/11.
You need to understand that the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan only strenthen Al-Qaeda's cause, Lashkar al Zil group was created after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, this clearly shows us how terrorism is getting out of hands, before 9/11, Al-Qaeda was weak, it was dependent on Bin-Laden, and the Taliban were ready to get rid of Bin-Laden at the time, but since the invasion things got worse, because Bin-Laden's influence expanded throught the region and Al-Qaeda started functioning independently. And its easy for Al-Qaeda to brainwash teenagers today, because everytime the U.S./NATO kill innocent people, more people sympathise with Al-Qaeda, which only ends up strengthening their support, legitimizing their ''holy war'' in the eyes of the Mulims and more people join them to die for their cause.
Regardless, when Muslims are killed with our presence over there, we anger more and more people. That’s why I argue that our national security is more threatened because of our bankruptcy. At the same time we just anger more and more people.
There is a lot to be said that our founders tried to get us to follow, and that is: mind our own business, stay out of entangling alliances of people around the world, and stay out of nation building. That day will probably come, but it will come on the heels of a bankruptcy, because we’re moving rapidly toward that direction as we see our deficits skyrocket. But the sooner we come to our senses the better off we all will be. (ron paul)
let's not forget the american soldier deaths so far:
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