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Old 03-13-2010, 09:23 PM
 
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Do you really think Unions/union leaders have got away from the Mafia?
If you think they have, you have been drinking the kool-aide!

Look how involved the SEIU Union head is with the White House!!!!
Look at the entire President and cabinet, along with advisers and entire administration.
Chicago Mafia style politics. Ever really looked at Ralm's background?
Aside from your baseless mafia insult, would you please quantify how unions are hurting labor?

IN a dollars and cents analysis, explain to me how unions hurt the average unionized worker.
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Old 03-13-2010, 09:24 PM
 
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We knew better than to do that. If they did vote them in I would have been the first person to quit.
How unfortunate that you willingly surrendered a better bargaining position.

Why on earth would you do that? It's contrary to your own interests.
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Old 03-13-2010, 09:33 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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In Michigan, about 75 percent of construction workers choose not to belong to unions. This sizable majority performs most of the work and is thus highly experienced.
By excluding the majority of workers and taking bids from only union contractors, municipalities and developers unnecessarily pay as much as 20 percent more, with taxpayers directly footing the bill on state and local government projects.
On private development projects, restricting bids to union-only contractors can exclude local workers and force developers to hire outside the region or even the state.
In addition to discriminating against workers based on labor affiliation, union-only project-labor agreements often exclude a large percentage of women and minority workers, groups severely under-represented in organized labor. Many organizations, including the National Association of Women Business Owners and the National Black Chamber of Commerce, have expressed their opposition to such agreements.
Who gains? A small number of union contractors who enjoy a financial monopoly on new development.
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Old 03-13-2010, 09:34 PM
 
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[quote=Buckhorn;13284206]How unfortunate that you willingly surrendered a better bargaining position.

Why on earth would you do that? It's contrary to your own interests.[/QUOTE



Because I'm crazy like that.
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Old 03-13-2010, 10:32 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Aside from your baseless mafia insult, would you please quantify how unions are hurting labor?

IN a dollars and cents analysis, explain to me how unions hurt the average unionized worker.

Ever really looked at Ralm's background? His mother, Marsha Smulevitz, was the daughter of a Chicago MOB union organizer.
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Old 03-13-2010, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Tampa (by way of Omaha)
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I do not like, nor see the need for, most labor unions in this day and age.

NOTE: I am speaking specifically about the United States.
Then you either A) haven't spent much time in the America workforce. B) Blissfully buying into Republican talking points or C) a combination of both.

I could rattle off a handful of situations that I personally know of where unions would have protected me or someone I know, and that's just off the top of my head.

Unions provide the same checks and balances that we need (and have) in our government. It's the same theory, just on a small scale.
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Old 03-13-2010, 11:56 PM
 
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If that is what allowed me to be my own person, beholding to no one, not the government, and not the union, yes, I'd take it.
And interesting mindset, I own a company in another country employing thirty odd. Now you are the type of worker I like, pulling your forelock to me the boss while I pay you 25% of what my other workers are getting. You would prefer to be poorly paid rather than join an organisation, different.
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Old 03-14-2010, 12:04 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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When I worked in automotive manufacturing one of our plants voted in the U.A.W. and they ended up with lower wages....
I suspect you're leaving something out of your comment here....like the fact that they probably got some other type of benefit that more than made up for the lower wages like health care coverage or more likely pension rights?

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Old 03-14-2010, 12:13 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Ever really looked at Ralm's background? His mother, Marsha Smulevitz, was the daughter of a Chicago MOB union organizer.
The days of mod bosses and Jimmy Hoffa style union management are long gone. Now, there are laws that protect union members from corruption higher up including requirements for open books that have to be audited by outside accounting firms and shown to the membership and anyone else interested. I know nothing about Ralm's grandfather's connection with unions but just his age alone would tell me he was from a different era. An era when both sides of the labor/management coin had blood on their hands, so to speak.

Just curious. Do you take full responsibility for what your grandparents might have done or not done?
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Old 03-14-2010, 12:16 AM
 
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So if I own a company I'm not allowed to do what I want with it?
Is this part of the liberal freedom of choice agenda?
Yes, it is. Liberals frown on you having slaves, or burning your building down for the insurance.
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