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You are confusing the murder (See Coke a Cola) and intimidation (See Walmart) of corporations with unions that benefit the average worker.
The bosses don't need you and your opinions on 'fairness'.
Your sophistry fails you. The employer/employee relation is and always has been adversarial in nature.
And here you are rolling over without a fight. The union bosses represent you and the workforce's interests. The employer handles his own affair nicely.
Don't be a traitor to your own class of people.
I've seen plenty of intimidation from unions with my own eyes - so save it. Benefit the average worker? Laughable. Union officials only have their own interests at heart. To think otherwise is delusional.
Own class of people? Do you live in a Dickens novel? We are all EQUAL in the USA.
Becareful, Smith was an honerable man, who constantly stressed that morality was an essential perequisite for Capitalism. Don't confuse him with Libertarian Lackeys.
Originally Posted by Wayland Woman Where I live there are two major manufacturers---one unionized, one not. The non-union factory has always kept their wages and benefits up to the standards set by the union shop i.e. when the union workers got raises, etc., soon after the non-union job workers did as well. Non-union workers have always benefited from what union workers fight for because their employers are competing in the same labor market to get their employees. Take that pressure point away and see how fast the decent wages hold in America. You won't have to wait long to see them fall.
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Originally Posted by ringwise
Pure speculation.
No, it's fact and if you had a logical bone in your body you'd recognize the truth when you see it.
The CEOs of our local non-union factory has said as much plus history bears this out.
Face it, as long as Union Membership goes down in the Private Sector, we will continue to see a rise in wealth/income inequality. See Gini Index (or similar Indices) for American economic distribution 1929-2009.
Not ALL are corrupt. Your claims are generalized and silly. Management is more than happy to blame unions for their decision to go overseas -- what are they going to blame, their shareholders?
All the complaints about union workers making "too much" money (a device to put an illusionary wedge between you and other workers like you) -- gee, maybe management shouldnt sign contracts that it can project might be hard on the company a ways down the line, if the company doesnt stay rolling in dough and a big balloon commitment arrives at a down time. It´s not as if the NLRB is anti mgmt, see the steady work accomplished on them the last 30 years.
Also the history of the US automakers is rife with tales of wanton waste and gross, obscene mismanagement by management and managers. Look at the earnings of GM stock for the last several years losses in the billions, quarter after quarter, year in and year out. Of course they´ll blame anyone but themselves.
Workers need protection.You need protection unless you´re part of owner management. Union protection is the best means of that so far.
Except for the stagnant pay, no benefits, longer work days and less vacation time experienced by almost all rank and file workers in america, I'd agree with you that unions serve no purpose.
Hyperbole. I dont have a union and do quite well. 37.5 hr days. Plenty of PTO. $$$. Great management. I'm no exception and am rank and file.
Nice to know.
I'm sure the Tea Party crowd likes to leave that out.
Washington, Madison, Franklin, Jay, and Hamilton were well versed in Smithian Economics. They opposed the Libertarian Views of Paine, Mason and Henry-- who favoured a system similarly governed by the Articles of Confederation. I don't think I need to remind you how that worked out for us. Makes you wonder what in the world Ron Paul is talking about when he so fervently talks about the founding fathers? I say the man has one skewed interpretation of American History. Then again Paul's primary intellectual influence is the Austrian School, specifically drunkard Rothbard who accused Adam Smith of being a socialist (History of Economic Thought II.) BTW its worth noting that Rothbard was a Anarcho-Capitalist...........
It *is* amazing how fiercely some guard dogs protect their owners isnt it? To their own detriment and the detriment of their own families.
I couldn't agree with you more. A lot of the people posting on this thread don't know what they're talking about. Have you ever worked in a union shop? I worked in a union and then non-union environment in the airline industry. The union job was far better in terms of pay, vacation time and benefits. There is simply no comparison.
And as for companies moving their manufacturing base over seas, that was going to happen anyway. It's all part of a larger globalization agenda that anybody can see has been going on for decades now had they bothered to pay attention. Look to the politicians that let it all happen if you want somebody to blame. Or you can scapegoat the unions. Believe what you want to believe -most people do.
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