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Those conservatives who relish in insulting Obama ARE the exception and NOT the rule.
Take a look around at the conservatives here on CD. You have yourself, nminta and maybe one or two other conservatives on here who can have discussions and disagreements over Obama's policies without resorting to insults. Without naming any names, its pretty obvious we have many more than that which do engage in such insults and attacks, hell just look at this thread...
Let me help you: watching TV doesnt give you the same depth that transcripts do.
Obama: I think it’s a remarkable document.
Helfrich: Which one?
Obama: The original Constitution as well as the Civil War amendments but I think it is an imperfect document and I think it is a document that reflects some deep flaws in American culture, the Colonial culture nascent at that time. African-Americans were not, first of all they weren’t African-Americans. The Africans of the time were not considered a part of the polity that was of concern to the Framers. I think that as Richard said it was a nagging problem in the same way that today we might think of environmental issues and some other problems where you have to balance cost benefits as opposed to seeing it as a moral problem involving persons of moral worth. And in that sense I think we can say that the Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day and that the Framers had that same blind spot. I don’t think the two views are contradictory: to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now and to say that it reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day.
Let me help you: watching TV doesnt give you the same depth that transcripts do.
Obama: I think it’s a remarkable document.
Helfrich: Which one?
Obama: The original Constitution as well as the Civil War amendments but I think it is an imperfect document and I think it is a document that reflects some deep flaws in American culture, the Colonial culture nascent at that time. African-Americans were not, first of all they weren’t African-Americans. The Africans of the time were not considered a part of the polity that was of concern to the Framers. I think that as Richard said it was a nagging problem in the same way that today we might think of environmental issues and some other problems where you have to balance cost benefits as opposed to seeing it as a moral problem involving persons of moral worth. And in that sense I think we can say that the Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day and that the Framers had that same blind spot. I don’t think the two views are contradictory: to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now and to say that it reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day.
Thank you delusianne! It is nice to have a President who knows what he is talking about regarding the Constitution! Now imagine Dubya trying to explain the same!
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Have a real hard time making somebody believe that. But that's another string.
How many conservatives do you know personally where you are certain that the majority of us relish in insulting Obama? CD posters don't count as we are a small subset of conservatives in the US.
Let me help you: watching TV doesnt give you the same depth that transcripts do.
Obama: I think it’s a remarkable document.
Helfrich: Which one?
Obama: The original Constitution as well as the Civil War amendments but I think it is an imperfect document and I think it is a document that reflects some deep flaws in American culture, the Colonial culture nascent at that time. African-Americans were not, first of all they weren’t African-Americans. The Africans of the time were not considered a part of the polity that was of concern to the Framers. I think that as Richard said it was a nagging problem in the same way that today we might think of environmental issues and some other problems where you have to balance cost benefits as opposed to seeing it as a moral problem involving persons of moral worth. And in that sense I think we can say that the Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day and that the Framers had that same blind spot. I don’t think the two views are contradictory: to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now and to say that it reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day.
Thanks for posting this and proving my earlier point to the OP about editing quotes to mislead.
Expanding on that last quote Hollis continued... "The rest of Obama’s observations during this interview are just as asinine, and just as threatening. He says, “generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: [It] says what the states can’t do to you, says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.”
This is deception.
As an initial matter, few listening to him would understand the gobbledygook, “negative liberties.”
But more importantly, he never explains that the United States Constitution is the oldest constitution in effect in the world. And that is no accident.
It is the oldest, because it is the only constitution I am aware of that is drafted the way it is.
Specifically, other constitutions list certain rights that the government conveys upon the people. Or, to put it as Obama did, the things “government must do on your behalf.”
Our Constitution, by contrast, has precisely the opposite construction.
We, the people, are presumed to have allthe rights, not just those written down in the Constitution. (And the Declaration of Independence states that these rights are “endowed by our Creator;” not by any government.) Lest this be unclear, the drafters of the Constitution put it in writing. [for emphasis] Lest this be unclear, the drafters of the Constitution put it in writing. Lest this be unclear, the drafters of the Constitution put it in writing.
The Ninth Amendment says, “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
And the Tenth Amendment goes further, stating explicitly that “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.”
Obama is engaging in dangerous demagoguery when he suggests that we the people of the United States need him – or the government he wants in place – to give us rights we don’t already have.
We don't need something we already have! - So butt out Barry E. Neuman!
ObaMao is a "cafeteria" Constitutionalist.
Damn it, he's going to give you rights if they are enumerated in the Constitution or not.
DeathCare, you betcha... Constitutionally Not a Right
A job, you betcha... Constitutionally Not a Right
Decent housing... Constitutionally Not a Right
99 weeks of Unemployment Compensation... Constitutionally Not a Right
Welfare... Constitutionally Not a Right
A New Cadillac in everybody's garage... Constitutionally Not a Right
Flat theater sized HD T.V. ... Constitutionally Not a Right
How many conservatives do you know personally where you are certain that the majority of us relish in insulting Obama? CD posters don't count as we are a small subset of conservatives in the US.
Conservative CD posters, by and large, not all, but most, tend to be the extreme wing version of the conservative movement, the Fascist constituency. I know many Republicans and conservatives who would be appalled by the comments on here by conservatives.
I know, why dont they actually read these things themselves?
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