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Old 04-19-2010, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Global Warming is a red herring. It was concocted by big business in order to gain control on the marketplace by regulating the ability to create pollution. The earth regulates itself. As temperature rises there is increased ocean evaporation, resulting in more rain. The rain in turn spawns more plant and algae growth, which in turn causes more oxygen production. Over the millennia there have been natural occurrences that have injected more green house gasses into the air than manmade causes could do in a million years, and yet life goes on. There are two very real problems mankind faces in the future and global warming is not one of them. One is overpopulation, and the other is the world banking interests who are taking control of government’s world wide. Those are the issues that we need to be focusing on, not red herrings created for profit by big business that divert attention.
I am not an expert on climate change, so I will defer judgment to the experts, none of whom post to this board. So, who are some of the scientific experts that believe global warming has begun, is very likely caused by man, and will be unstoppable for centuries?

*National science academies:
of Australia,
of Belgium,
of Brazil,
of Cameroon,
Royal Society of Canada,
of the Caribbean,
of China,
Institut de France,
of Ghana,
Leopoldina of Germany,
of India,
of Indonesia,
of Ireland,
Accademia nazionale delle scienze of Italy,
of India,
of Italy
of Japan,
of Kenya,
of Madagascar,
of Malaysia,
of Mexico,
of Nigeria,
Royal Society of New Zealand,
Russian Academy of Sciences,
of Senegal,
of South Africa,
of Sudan,
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences,
of Tanzania,
of Turkey,
of Uganda,
The Royal Society of the United Kingdom,
of the United States,
of Zambia,
and of Zimbabwe
* InterAcademy Council
* European Academy of Sciences and Arts
* International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
* Network of African Science Academies
* Royal Society of New Zealand
* Polish Academy of Sciences
* National Research Council (US)
* American Association for the Advancement of Science
* American Chemical Society
* American Institute of Physics
* American Physical Society
* Australian Institute of Physics
* European Physical Society
* European Science Foundation
* Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
* American Geophysical Union
* European Federation of Geologists
* European Geosciences Union
* Geological Society of America
* Geological Society of Australia
* International Union of Geodesy and Geophysicsironment and society.” [41]
* National Association of Geoscience Teacherseachers
* Meteorology and oceanography
* American Meteorological Society
* Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
* Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
* Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
* Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
* World Meteorological Organization
* American Quaternary Association
* International Union for Quaternary Research
* American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
* American Society for Microbiology
* Australian Coral Reef Society
* Institute of Biology (UK)
* Society of American Foresters
* The Wildlife Society
* American Academy of Pediatrics
* American College of Preventive Medicine
* American Medical Association
* American Public Health Association
* Australian Medical Association
* World Federation of Public Health Associations
* World Health Organization
* American Astronomical Society
* American Statistical Association
* Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)
* International Association for Great Lakes Research
* Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand

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Old 04-19-2010, 08:39 AM
 
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I am not an expert on climate change, so I will defer judgment to the experts, none of whom post to this board. So, who are some of the scientific experts that believe global warming has begun, is very likely caused by man, and will be unstoppable for centuries?

*National science academies:
of Australia,
of Belgium,
of Brazil,
of Cameroon,
Royal Society of Canada,
of the Caribbean,
of China,
Institut de France,
of Ghana,
Leopoldina of Germany,
of India,
of Indonesia,
of Ireland,
Accademia nazionale delle scienze of Italy,
of India,
of Italy
of Japan,
of Kenya,
of Madagascar,
of Malaysia,
of Mexico,
of Nigeria,
Royal Society of New Zealand,
Russian Academy of Sciences,
of Senegal,
of South Africa,
of Sudan,
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences,
of Tanzania,
of Turkey,
of Uganda,
The Royal Society of the United Kingdom,
of the United States,
of Zambia,
and of Zimbabwe
* InterAcademy Council
* European Academy of Sciences and Arts
* International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
* Network of African Science Academies
* Royal Society of New Zealand
* Polish Academy of Sciences
* National Research Council (US)
* American Association for the Advancement of Science
* American Chemical Society
* American Institute of Physics
* American Physical Society
* Australian Institute of Physics
* European Physical Society
* European Science Foundation
* Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
* American Geophysical Union
* European Federation of Geologists
* European Geosciences Union
* Geological Society of America
* Geological Society of Australia
* International Union of Geodesy and Geophysicsironment and society.” [41]
* National Association of Geoscience Teacherseachers
* Meteorology and oceanography
* American Meteorological Society
* Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
* Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
* Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
* Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
* World Meteorological Organization
* American Quaternary Association
* International Union for Quaternary Research
* American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
* American Society for Microbiology
* Australian Coral Reef Society
* Institute of Biology (UK)
* Society of American Foresters
* The Wildlife Society
* American Academy of Pediatrics
* American College of Preventive Medicine
* American Medical Association
* American Public Health Association
* Australian Medical Association
* World Federation of Public Health Associations
* World Health Organization
* American Astronomical Society
* American Statistical Association
* Engineers Australia (The Institution of Engineers Australia)
* International Association for Great Lakes Research
* Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand

That is an appeal to authority in an attempt to avoid dealing with the conflicts in the science.

Would you like to comment concerning the issues with numerous gray literature used by the IPCC? Their manipulation of slopes to promote warming through their graphs? Numerous research to which has been found to be assumptive and inconclusive, yet was still promoted by the IPCC?

You do realize that many of those "Organizations" refer to the IPCC as its source of authority? Comments?
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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That is an appeal to authority in an attempt to avoid dealing with the conflicts in the science.

Would you like to comment concerning the issues with numerous gray literature used by the IPCC? Their manipulation of slopes to promote warming through their graphs? Numerous research to which has been found to be assumptive and inconclusive, yet was still promoted by the IPCC?

You do realize that many of those "Organizations" refer to the IPCC as its source of authority? Comments?
An educated authority is EXACTLY who people should be listening to rather than accept the uninformed judgment of non-scientists. And it is not just one authority, but multiple science and education organizations worldwide.

The "gray literature" as you say does not invalidate the study, or the theory, or global warming. The "manipulation" as you call it is normal evaluation of raw data by the scientific community in order to come to a better, consensual understanding of data. Regarding "assumptive and inconclusive" data, that is typical for most, if not all real-world data set collections, and the conclusions of the data assessments always include some uncertainty. The uncertainty of this study is 10%, which is small in the scale of such things. In betting terms, it is a 9 to 1 shot that the theory and scale are correct. That global temperatures have risen is 100% certain - the uncertainty is the prediction of future change.

If anything, the results of the IPCC study have been criticized by many scientists as too conservative - i.e. they may have UNDERESTIMATED the EFFECTS of global warming.

Hell, even Texas A&M says it's true.
Climate Change Statement
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Can you tell me that the Iceland volcano eruption is not caused by global warming? Today I heard a man on TV say that one of those warmers did say yesterday that global warming caused that eruption. I need someone to explain that one to me and maybe you know enough about warming to handle this one. I will try very hard to understand.
Yeah, isn't that something? I heard a similar discussion on NPR. They were actually postulating that "man-made climate change" caused the eruptions. In the same conversation, they actually said that it also is "very likely" causing the earthquakes. Yes, climatology and plate tectonics are directly related. Oh lord, some people were obviously not paying attention during geology class.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
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Hell, even Texas A&M says it's true.
Climate Change Statement
What, you're going to trust an Aggie? HOOK 'EM HORNS!
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:36 AM
 
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Sorry, I don't believe in the Goddess religion, "Mother earth" serves me, not the other way around.
That is the most ignorant comment I have ever read on CD.
Even a farmer knows you must take care of the land and replenish it in order to have a healthy crop

I bet your the type of person that throws old tires in the creek
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Yeah, isn't that something? I heard a similar discussion on NPR. They were actually postulating that "man-made climate change" caused the eruptions. In the same conversation, they actually said that it also is "very likely" causing the earthquakes. Yes, climatology and plate tectonics are directly related. Oh lord, some people were obviously not paying attention during geology class.
Everything you need to know is not always in a text book:


Climate change could spark more ''hazardous'' geological events such as volcanoes, earthquakes and landslides, scientists have warned.

Volcanic ash cloud: Global warming may trigger more volcanoes - Telegraph
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Global Warming is a fraud perpetrated by people wanting a socialistic one world government.
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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What, you're going to trust an Aggie? HOOK 'EM HORNS!
I figured that if it even sinks into their skulls there really must be something to it.

By the way:
Climate Systems Science, Jackson School of Geosciences - News
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Old 04-19-2010, 09:50 AM
 
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Global Warming is a fraud perpetrated by people wanting a socialistic one world government.
Do you believe pollution generated by man is a fraud too.
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