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Old 03-17-2010, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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It quickly identifies itself as baseless, inane blather with: " Left wingers hate America and freedom ", no need to read any further.
You will remain uninformed as long as you keep on with that no need to read any further talk. Of course, that is a handy excuse to keep yourself in that condition.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Winnetka, IL & Rolling Hills, CA
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I was thinking about how there could be such a huge rift between people and how they could come up with opposing answers to every problem. Here's what I've discovered through much experience. Leftists base their beliefs on emotion, espousing love, compassion and empathy. When leftists come across people with differing views, right wingers for example, they subconsciously assume that everyone else bases their beliefs on emotions as well. Because it is incomprehensible to them that others base their beliefs on logic and rationality, they automatically attribute those different beliefs with hatred and other negative emotions. This is why leftists and right wingers are unable to come to terms with one another, their brains work differently. This is also why leftists don't want to talk about costs and other realities, they want to stay focused on the positive emotional reinforcement regarding any political issue.
Well this is 100% true. There was a study I read about that showed that basically found this:

Liberals tend to form their ideology based on feelings, beliefs, and emotion, and generally feel that things around them are bad, etc. and that something major has to step in to stop this "bad stuff" from happening. They are less likely to make changes in order to acheive their goals.

Conservatives on the other hand generally base their ideology on facts, trial and error, and generally proven theories. Conservatives are more willing to admit mistakes and make changes to acheive their ends. Conservatives generally place more responsiblity in themselves to change worldly or personal challenges.

Lastly this is proven: Conservatives and conservative leaning states are far more charitable, have more stable and growing economies (where is everyone moving to? Utah, Texas, Georgia, etc., no one is moving to Michigan, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, California, etc. at this point.

An ideological balance is what is needed in the United States.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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I was thinking about how there could be such a huge rift between people and how they could come up with opposing answers to every problem. Here's what I've discovered through much experience. Leftists base their beliefs on emotion, espousing love, compassion and empathy. When leftists come across people with differing views, right wingers for example, they subconsciously assume that everyone else bases their beliefs on emotions as well. Because it is incomprehensible to them that others base their beliefs on logic and rationality, they automatically attribute those different beliefs with hatred and other negative emotions. This is why leftists and right wingers are unable to come to terms with one another, their brains work differently. This is also why leftists don't want to talk about costs and other realities, they want to stay focused on the positive emotional reinforcement regarding any political issue.
You can't be serious. Are you telling me that the single issue voters, for example those who vote solely on abortion (hoping that some Republican will overturn Roe V. Wade) are voting on logic and reason? How about the people who are constantly in fear of their guns being taken away or believe that they are not safe from terrorists under a Democrat, are they voting on logic and reason or fear?

When right-wingers come across people with different beliefs, do you seriously think they tolerate them more than those on the left? I see posts on this site calling Obama out of his name and resorting to juvenile insults about how low he bows or calling him arrogant for putting his feet on his desk. You call this reason and logic? Taking things out of context, distorting facts and siting uncredible news sources cannot bring you to a logical conclusion. Clearly when people feel the need to lie and cheat to prove a point, they are driven by emotion. I am not saying there are not people on either side that are driven by emotion but overall, right-wingers are far from superior when it comes to using logic and reason. Clearly, your definitions of logic and reason are yours and not the same as the ones found in the dictionary. Your OP was extremely biased and anyone using logic and reason at least attempts to listen to both sides of an argument.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:44 AM
 
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You can't be serious.
Or be taken seriously.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Winnetka, IL & Rolling Hills, CA
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The people who vote solely GOP for abortion are stupid because abortion is still going to be legalized in many states. There is no way we will get a federal ban on abortion and there is no way we will get the Federal Marriage Amendment passed unfortunately.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:05 AM
 
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The people who vote solely GOP for abortion are stupid because abortion is still going to be legalized in many states. There is no way we will get a federal ban on abortion and there is no way we will get the Federal Marriage Amendment passed unfortunately.
Abortion as marriage should remain decisions of the individual states, IMO.

People vote their pocketbook.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:28 AM
 
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I was thinking about how there could be such a huge rift between people and how they could come up with opposing answers to every problem. Here's what I've discovered through much experience. Leftists base their beliefs on emotion, espousing love, compassion and empathy. When leftists come across people with differing views, right wingers for example, they subconsciously assume that everyone else bases their beliefs on emotions as well. Because it is incomprehensible to them that others base their beliefs on logic and rationality, they automatically attribute those different beliefs with hatred and other negative emotions. This is why leftists and right wingers are unable to come to terms with one another, their brains work differently. This is also why leftists don't want to talk about costs and other realities, they want to stay focused on the positive emotional reinforcement regarding any political issue.
No, what we call "the right" nowadays works from emotions too. I wouldnt say "logic and rationality" drive the mobs who can't grow and change. See the resurgence of the KKK in 1915, part of a time of enormous and stressful social upheaval in the US. (Tea party drama queens like to play-talk (and especially, be told) about "revolution" and so forth, but we're not going though anything approaching that now -- we never have since, even in the relatively economically comfortable civil rights sixties.)

I think what drives what we call "the right" -- reactionaries -- are selfishness, fear and a basic inner cruelty. I guess those can be summed up as "intolerance." You can see it in everything about them, right here on these boards. From school vouchers to "It may sound cruel, but maybe 5,000,000 Haitians have to die; we cant keep pounding our tax money down a rat hole."* The American reactionaries today are no different from the pitchfork mobs of every country in every era -- just fatter and slower. Still doing the bidding of the power elite, still falling for every hoary old trick in the book.

You wonder why "lefty" radio and TV arent as successful as right wing radio and TV are? Because "lefties" dont have to be told what to think and say and do. I really admire Roger Ailes, Karl Rove and those guys for their manipulative abilities, but they're working with easy clay and a clear historical pattern of how to play the sheep. They're same generation after generation, era by era.

And on top of all that, they're so hypocritical about it! They develop churches that will reassure them it's all right to be unkind and exclusionary.

Oh well, end rant.... your last sentence is ridiculous.

* "It may sound cruel, but" is verbatim from a post here about the Haitian earthquake victims; the rest I paraphrased but the gist is the same.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Pure as the driven snow these right wingers are. Especially when they are caught tapping on bathroom stall floors. That's when they really repent and thump their Bibles. Exactly which part of the military is the purest?
The level of morals and ethics of those serving in the military are a higher caliber, on average, then in the civilian population. But obviously no one is perfect.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:42 AM
 
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Well this is 100% true. There was a study I read about that showed that basically found this:

Liberals tend to form their ideology based on feelings, beliefs, and emotion, and generally feel that things around them are bad, etc. and that something major has to step in to stop this "bad stuff" from happening. They are less likely to make changes in order to acheive their goals.

Conservatives on the other hand generally base their ideology on facts, trial and error, and generally proven theories. Conservatives are more willing to admit mistakes and make changes to acheive their ends. Conservatives generally place more responsiblity in themselves to change worldly or personal challenges.

Lastly this is proven: Conservatives and conservative leaning states are far more charitable, have more stable and growing economies (where is everyone moving to? Utah, Texas, Georgia, etc., no one is moving to Michigan, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, California, etc. at this point.

An ideological balance is what is needed in the United States.
Horses--t!

There are just as many conservatives who form their ideology based on emotions---look at all the pro-lifers on here crying out against "baby-killers." Who was it who brought up 9/11 as a call to emotion every time someone arguing against the war in Iraq? Who are the ones rallying against an imaginary socialist enemy any time their views are challenged?

Honestly I think the modern conservative and liberal sides of the spectrum are both equally screwed at this point...I don't see conservatives or liberals accepting their mistakes---but I think it's more a case of the self-indulgence of the Baby Boom generation that has become the cultural norm of our era. Arguing that liberals think specifically different than conservatives is just more of partisan hackery that's led us into this mess. It's a cultural divide---urban vs. rural/suburban more than anything else.
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Old 03-17-2010, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I was thinking about how there could be such a huge rift between people and how they could come up with opposing answers to every problem. Here's what I've discovered through much experience. Leftists base their beliefs on emotion, espousing love, compassion and empathy. When leftists come across people with differing views, right wingers for example, they subconsciously assume that everyone else bases their beliefs on emotions as well. Because it is incomprehensible to them that others base their beliefs on logic and rationality, they automatically attribute those different beliefs with hatred and other negative emotions. This is why leftists and right wingers are unable to come to terms with one another, their brains work differently. This is also why leftists don't want to talk about costs and other realities, they want to stay focused on the positive emotional reinforcement regarding any political issue.
I'd be a "leftist". And I'm so largely because of lack of emotions, not overflowing with it. Logic rules. It is also why you would rarely see scientists subscribe to right wing politics. Most would identify self as liberals or progressive.

The whole idea of conservatism is based on emotions and adhering to an ideology. Straying off it gets their thingies twisted. They don't like to debate, they like to speak and repeat. Take gay marriage for example. They don't support it, because they are overly emotional about this institution called "marriage". They couldn't care less about "logic", all they see is how it affects "them" and their beliefs.
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