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For your hard work, dedication and vision for health care reform.
It has been a long time in the making, and it took YOU as president to finally make this dream a reality for all americans. No other president in history has been able to achieve this monumental feat.
It has been an embarrassment that the wealthiest nation in the world did not, could not and would not provide basic healthcare for 32 milllion people
(at least). It is a basic human right to seek medical attention when one is sick or injured.
Of course, there are still some kinks to be worked out, same as when medicare, social security and other policies were initially enacted.
Thank you, Mr. President. You said " YES WE CAN" and YES WE DID.
Great thread!
Just be prepared for the right-wing Obama-Bashers to fill it with whining posts.
LoL, and here comes the attempt at internal purging of moderates. People who don't see any debate in vast cosmic reaching terms, that any who are willing to negotiate or compromise are the enemy inside, absolute good (us) versus absolute evil (them). Amazing when an article published in 1964 can still be a nearly exact fit in so many instances, so many years later.
interesting...could you elaborate a little more in plain english for me?? not being sarcastic...just would like to know if you have another way of explaining...thanks!
LoL, and here comes the attempt at internal purging of moderates. People who don't see any debate in vast cosmic reaching terms, that any who are willing to negotiate or compromise are the enemy inside, absolute good (us) versus absolute evil (them). Amazing when an article published in 1964 can still be a nearly exact fit in so many instances, so many years later.
That's an excellent article and it absolutely does apply today; that mindset doesnt change. Thanks for posting it, Im sure no one who needs to will read it.
Not according to the latest report (this morning) that I heard.
And I heard there is going to be a revolution over this thing.
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Who do you think is going to pick up the cost for pre-existing conditions when the premium drops for the person being insured? It doesn't just go away. Even if the pre-existing condition does "not weigh in" as you put it, it still *exists* and will have its attendant increased costs. Somebody has to pay for those. It's called "spreading the wealth...or, more specifically...spreading the premium".
Can you quote the part of the bill which dictates that tax payer will pay the differnece. Where did you hear that?
I have very mixed feelings. While I'm grateful for any change, I was really hoping for a public option but I guess it's baby steps first. I wanted to address the claims that this is "socialized medicine". First off, learn the definition of socialism. This bill couldn't be further away from socialized med. as the bill is all capitalistic. We are now going to have to buy insurance from private insurance companies. Granted there's supposed to be greater competition now but it's all competition from private companies, no public option thus no spector of "socialism". Small businesses comprised of 50 employess or less are according to the bill, going to see costs lowered and an independent non-part. group(I do have to find link so forgive me) has stated that costs will go down. Lastly, the current state of health care in the U.S. was unsustainable, things could not just go on indefinetly as they are now, something had to be done. America does NOT have the best health care in the world, that is a myth. We are ranked at 37 with over all healthy living ranked at 70. Now wether this was the best way, I don't know and I guess we will just have to see. I just know the current state of vicious hatred and name calling is truly scary and very disappointing. How can a group like the religious right claim to be Christian yet don't want the poor or disenfranchised to receive adequate health care? How can anyone reasonably claim that the only reason that someone does not have health insurance is just because they are lazy freeloaders? Don't you think these blanket statements may be erroneous?
If I were to continually see independent polls that say the majority of people are against the bill (that more people are against it than for it), I would believe that is more accurate reflection of the peoples' sentiment than a poll by Kaiser. Remember, there were Democrats who also said this is a bad bill - even in the face of Pelosi's insistence that this will really be a great thing for us.
There is much that we see differently with regard to this issue, though I do understand many of the points you make since you verbalize your perspective clearly. I thought of you this morning when I heard that Florida is proposing legislation to fight the mandates, and wondered what you think of that.
Virginia House of Delegates passed HB 10, sponsored by Del. Robert G. Marshall (R-13th District), which states that no resident of the commonwealth shall be required to obtain or maintain individual insurance coverage. All 17 “nay†votes were cast by Democratic delegates.
“Mobsters used to offer ‘protection’ to business owners, so when Congress says that if individuals don’t become customers of businesses that contribute to them, to me that crosses the line,†Marshall said. “For me, it is hard to distinguish what is going on in Washington, D.C., from criminal activity.â€
Gov. Bob McDonnell, a Republican, has already said he would sign the bill into law, making Virginia the first state in the nation to challenge any mandates that could be handed down from Washington, D.C.
There are some 30 other states, perhaps more by the time I write this, that are preparing similar legislation.
This is going to be a long process, and I wonder what happens to the bill, once signed, while all the suits get filed? Does it go on hold pending outcomes, does it get implemented immediately and then, depending on outcomes of lawsuits, get rescinded? will people who get benefits immediately have them then taken away if the ruling goes against the mandates?
It must really be a good bill with so many states against it.
It seems like a mess that will not soon be sorted out. Only politicians could create such chaos.
There are several Conservative led states that did not want this bill passed. Florida, even though it went for Obama in 2008, is still predominantly led by Conservative politicians. That may change this year, who knows. I think we have to keep in mind, the contents of the bill had relatively little impact on the GOP opposition to it. The sanctity of corporate interests are very much prevalent in the bill, certainly the GOP is in favor of that as are many Dems. Now, there is some special treatment of large labor as well, GOP doesn't like that, but it's just a little this for that. The fundamental GOP opposition, from day one, was not the contents of any bill, it was the fact that a Democratic President would sign it. This was the reason for the opposition to the Clinton attempt. It was, on the reverse side, the opposition to the, even more liberal, Nixon attempt. Actually Nixon's bill could very well have been passed were it not for the Watergate scandal. The out Party has pretty much opposed any in Party attempt on this issue for 100yrs. It is fortunate for us, though not generally a good thing, that we got to a point of one Party domination of Congress. This is probably the only way that a reform process could have happened. Had it not, we would be wrestling over this for another 100yrs.
When we elected an extreme-left Democrat President, with extremist Democrats in charge of large majorities in the House and Senate, that was the ball game. Major legislation to sieze unheard-of power, against both the Constitution and the will of the American people, would follow that act, as surely as water flows downhill.
And why did we elect such extreme leftists to such high positions in 2006 and 2008? Because Republicans, who came to power on the strength or an agenda the majority of Americans wanted - low taxes, low spending, strong defense, personal freedom and personal responsibillity - have been giving up those very ideals for twenty years, and acting more and more like Democrats themselves. They have exploded spending, created socialistic government entitlements, racked up huge debts, and passed and signed legislation robbing freedoms from Americans. Not nearly as much as the present administration, but far more than the people who voted for them, ever wanted.
And the America people, particularly the conservatives they had betrayed, reacted by kicking them out of power in 2006 and 2008.
Some might assign blame to the Democrats, who have been pushing so hard for expanding government and installing socialism since most of us have been alive. But that's like blaming a tiger for raking a man's face off with its claws in the middle of the street in town. The Democrats can't help pushing socialism any more than the tiger can help carving a man to ribbons - it is simply their nature to do so, and the only thing they know. Blame should be assigned, instead, to the people let the tiger into the village when they knew its nature and should have known better than to become careless enough to let it in.
Republicans' duties while in power, were to do what their voters sent them there to do. And that was to be conservative, allow the economy to reward those who achieved, defend their basic rights, and in general justify the tust the voters had placed in them. Doing this would ensure, not only their continued residence in power, but their continued defense of the country and the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
They failed. They began to abuse the rights of the people, by implementing (or permitting) schemes that harmed the rights, prosperity, and safety of ordinary Americans. They should have known voters would react predictably - a reaction made more than predictable, by the declining percentage of people who voted for them in nearly every election since they were put in power in 1994 and 2000. But they continued sliding more and more to the left, and failing to defend against domestic planners who had put in place a scheme that wound up crashing the entire economy in 2007-2009. And so the American people who had voted for them, expressed their disgust and booted them out... which was no more than they deserved. This eliminated the only people who had defended the Constitution from its enemies, and left the barbarians free to enter Rome.
And enter they have. We are now seeing power being seized by the U.S. Government in ways the Republicans never dreamed, and which the country's founders DID dream and wrote an ironclad Constitution to forbid. They are brushing aside its bans on government involvement in Health Care Insurance and its refusals to grant the Fed govt authority to force people to buy products, or penalize them without criminal charges or trials if they refused.
Tonight Barack Obama stated flatly that the just-passed legislation didn't fix every ill in Health Care - as if anything could do that in a world of imperfect people... and that therefore tonight's huge seizure of power was only "a good first step in the right direction". In other words, these people have plenty more such "steps" they intend to impose... and with as much disdain for the will of the people and the commands of the Constitution, as they showed this time.
But as I said above, ultimate blame does not even lie with Obama, Pelosi, Ried, and the rest of the leftists. We, the American people, knew what they were long before we elected them. Republicans in particular, had (or should have had) no illusions about the tyranny inherent in those people's agenda.
And for many years, Republicans were in a position to stop them and expose them for what they were... and they failed.
REPUBLICANS - politicians and voters - were as much as fault for the shocking power grabs and incredible debts we are seeing today, as the Democrats who are actually implementing those destructive policies. No one expects the Democrats to "know better", any more than they expect lemmings to "know better" than to drown themselves en masse.
But the people who let the tiger into the village, or the barbarians into the gates, SHOULD have known better than to do those things.
They are the ones truly at fault. And there is an (R) after every one of their names.
Outstanding post!!!!!!!!! And you are correct! American's have to start getting involved....Repulicans didn't do a darn thing about illegal immigration either....our social systems are a mess and a disgrace...not to mention, education....people are so uninformed....I've been saying for years, both parties are at fault, both parties are corrupt and our country is going down....
You would not believe the money that is being literally wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan to subcontracting companies for doing nothing....nothing...literally...it is a waste...and again, our government hires these companies, so that they do not have to be the fall guy in the event something goes wrong...however, we're paying them they're saleries, only to hire subcontractors to do they're jobs for them...
the money that this country is wasting is ironic...the incompetence is ironic...people want the big bucks but don't want to be held accountable...whatever happened to firing someone for doing a bad job?
Way back before computers, I tell you, the competence and accuracy was so much better....customer service was so much better....
it's all about greed!
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