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I don't see how adding more consumers to a system is reform. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that people will be covered, but it does not reform the system and does not address the fundamental problems of health care, that it costs to much, largely because it's based on profit. The bill does nothing to change this.
This would be the same as just adding more students to a school system that is broken. Here is Chicago our school system sucks, adding another 50,000 students is not reforming it.
It's not reform. It's "health insurance subsidy". If you get that then you understand.
I guess you could say it's insurance reform because now anyone can get insurance; no one can be denied.
I don't see how adding more consumers to a system is reform. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that people will be covered, but it does not reform the system and does not address the fundamental problems of health care, that it costs to much, largely because it's based on profit. The bill does nothing to change this.
This would be the same as just adding more students to a school system that is broken. Here is Chicago our school system sucks, adding another 50,000 students is not reforming it.
Yes, but that's all they can pull off right now with all those whiny Repubs
Btw. You're actually wrong. Adding more people in this case will help, since the supposedly "healthy people" dropped their coverage and now will be included again.
Yes, but that's all they can pull off right now with all those whiny Repubs
Btw. You're actually wrong. Adding more people in this case will help, since the supposedly "healthy people" dropped their coverage and now will be included again.
Are the last Congressmen who haven't yet told how they intend to vote and are being courted by Obama to vote his way Republicans? Must have missed that on the news. I see a bunch of Democrats who need bribes or arm twisting by Obama to pass his bill.
From the math I see in the House, the Democrats can easily pass this WITHOUT one Republican vote. The Democrats who are hesitant to vote for it and afraid because it is such a bad and unpopular BILL.
It prevents insurance companies from barring you, for pre existing conditions. It prevents insurance companies from denying you coverage, when you need it the most. Many insurance companies are looking for a way, not to pay your bill. Thats wrong, when you've been paying in for years and years.
The bill isn't perfect, far from it. However, its much easier to go in and fix the parts that need repair, then it is to pass the bill in the first place.
For instance, its much easier to go in and remove the "Nebraska" option from the bill, because many Republicans will vote for its removal.
Are the last Congressmen who haven't yet told how they intend to vote and are being courted by Obama to vote his way Republicans? Must have missed that on the news. I see a bunch of Democrats who need bribes or arm twisting by Obama to pass his bill.
From the math I see in the House, the Democrats can easily pass this WITHOUT one Republican vote. The Democrats who are hesitant to vote for it and afraid because it is such a bad and unpopular BILL.
Medicare/Medicaid were very unpopulart as well. Don't have to tell you what happened to that.
There were other veents in American history where the majority disapproved ( like slavery ), but that does not mean it's bad, obviously.
The Repubs are a bunch of wimps. There might be a handful of Democrats who are on the fence, but there is no single Repub. And they don't even have a real alternative. Way to go.
Medicare/Medicaid were very unpopulart as well. Don't have to tell you what happened to that.
There were other veents in American history where the majority disapproved ( like slavery ), but that does not mean it's bad, obviously.
The Repubs are a bunch of wimps. There might be a handful of Democrats who are on the fence, but there is no single Repub. And they don't even have a real alternative. Way to go.
Right, a "handful".
Medicare passed with bipartisan support. And what happened to both of them in terms of cost projection? Very large underestimate of its cost. Right now both programs are in deep trouble as they continue to experience cost overruns. Of course that doesn't prevent this bill from adding even MORE people to the medicaid rolls in 4 years.
If this bill is so good, why can't the uninsured get access to the marketplace NOW. The healthcare crisis is so acute, why the wait for 4 years? It truly heartless how Obama will make these people go without care for 4 years while cutting medicare by 500 million dollars starting in year one.
From the article: "The C.B.O. is clear that the legislative package, as a whole, would reduce the deficit not only over the next ten years, but even more substantially in the second decade if the legislation executes as written. Of course, that’s an enormous “if.” These provisions may well be worthy, but they aren’t free. Indeed, if you add them all up, their price tag comes to $132 billion in new spending and $2 billion in new tax cuts. The total cost of health reform is thus $1,072 billion, about one-seventh higher than the $940 billion figure grabbing all the headlines …Over the next decade, health reform will expand the government’s commitment to health care, not reduce it. The only reason the health reform scores as reducing the deficit is that it is packaged with significant tax increases, most notably a $210 billion expansion in Medicare taxes."
And I hadn't heard of this before: "Consider that $53 billion of the $118 billion in supposed savings over the first ten years of the latest bill (which is still a moving target) comes from increases in Social Security payroll tax revenues resulting from expected increases in wages (the idea being that employers will pay better in an Obamacare world)."
How many of you out there really think you'll get RAISES to compensate for your employer's hypothetical "savings" from this bill? If the business sees any savings, it will go into the CEO's next bonus. Businesses continue to layoff because they can. Too many workers, not enough jobs. Wages stagnated 40 years ago, and they aren't coming back.
So half the supposed savings in the bill is from taxes on hypothetical wage increases, which won't happen. Makes me doubt the accounting of the entire thing.
It truly heartless how Obama will make these people go without care for 4 years while cutting medicare by 500 million dollars starting in year one.
It makes sense when you understand that the bill is not about health care... it's about generating additional revenue for the government.
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