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Old 03-22-2010, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Umm no one's coverage is going to get reduced....

Oh I see we insure 30 million more peole, no ones coverage changes and the cost of health care goes down. Now that is a neat trick!
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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go ahead and believe that. Everytime the government issues an estimate of cost for a bill, the estimate is always far far far below the actual cost.

You can say that again.

If Past is Prologue When it Comes to Guesstimating Actual Health Care Costs, Well, it Was Nice Knowing You All... - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

And when it blows up you will have the same intellectual giants who post here sputtering, well it was only an estimate.....
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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People need to read the FACTS of the bill.. not listen to talk around the water cooler or watch FOX news.

Mmm how do you suppose they insure 30 million more people and reduce costs. Bingo they cut reimbursement. Talk about uneducated......
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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Oh I see we insure 30 million more peole, no ones coverage changes and the cost of health care goes down. Now that is a neat trick!

These fools actually believe that. How can one insure 30-40 million people, cut no coverage for anyone else, and save money? It is an absolute lie, and everyone knows it.

Again- simple math. Multiply $500 (it will probably be closer to $1,000) times 10,000,000 and you have the minimum added expense that will occur as a result of this plan. The "savings" by medicare cuts will never happen, as no politician has the guts to actually cut medicare. This plan is just a huge financial burden on a nation that cannot afford its current obligations.
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Charleston Sc and Western NC
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These fools actually believe that. How can one insure 30-40 million people, cut no coverage for anyone else, and save money? It is an absolute lie, and everyone knows it.

Again- simple math. Multiply $500 (it will probably be closer to $1,000) times 10,000,000 and you have the minimum added expense that will occur as a result of this plan. The "savings" by medicare cuts will never happen, as no politician has the guts to actually cut medicare. This plan is just a huge financial burden on a nation that cannot afford its current obligations.

It must be the "New Math" in action.
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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No, just the form the Democrats have decided to make while excluding the Republican options presented.
lol...except for the Republican options in the bill?
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Keep telling yourself that it isn't universal health care as you watch more and more people on the government rolls and more insurance companies pulling out of health care coverage.
I don't mind losers pulling out (no pun intended).
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:28 PM
 
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Hope I don't lose my job over this healthcare bill
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I hope you don't lose your job either. BUT... if you do it's probably because you are bad at your job and not because of "this healthcare bill"
Ceece, you can wear that big ol' We Won grin all you like and you can celebrate to your heart's content and you can look down on the sniveling low life the rest of us are but your comment was

! ! ! JUST PLAIN RUDE ! ! !
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Old 03-22-2010, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Mmm how do you suppose they insure 30 million more people and reduce costs. Bingo they cut reimbursement. Talk about uneducated......
Going back to the Clinton era taxes on the top 2%.

Cutting waste & fraud in Medicare

On top of that one of the biggest drivers in cost in the system now is treating the uninsured, we are already paying for all of it
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Old 03-22-2010, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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However, it *is* a bailout of the insurance industry. They get millions more customers (contrary to popular belief, not everyone who does not have insurance would become a drain on their profits) and no restrictions on what they can charge and no competition from the Government to keep them honest.
This bill does not "bailout" the insurance industry, though the insurance industry was spirally downward due to the adverse selection problem. There are tight regulations on how much money the insurance companies can keep from the premiums they collect. A government run insurance is not going to run itself and its operating costs will likewise eat into the premiums collected.

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You will still have your one, or if you are lucky, two choices for insurance companies only now you will be forced to buy from them or pay a fine.
All the areas I've lived in have more than just two options for health insurance.


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The day United Health, Blue Cross/Blue Shield and their ilk are out of business will be a glorious day in the history of the Republic.
Do you feel the same way about the auto-insurers as well? Not sure what is so bad about an insurance company.
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