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Oh please...
Illegals get free health care every day from ER's across America.
I have cancer and when you get treatments and go through the program you meet folks from all walks of life. Guess what I have met more than a few that had no insurance and came from lower middle class families.
This is the most laughable piece of logic failure I have seen - I think this should be presented to every class on logic.
First, it is a classic either or fallacy. If you do not want national heath care you want to kill people. 4 Smacks.
Second, it's a Strawman. If you do not want national health care you want to 'prevent' people from getting heath care and thereby kill them. 3 Smacks. This is also a non-sequiter.
Third, you equated insurance companies with republicans. Equivication - somehow if you are not for national health care you are for all that the insurance companies do and represent. 4 Smacks.
Fourth, it is a generalization. Even if your post was valid and true (and it certainly is not) it would not mean that every individual republican would want to kill people. 4 Smacks.
Typical argument from a lefty:
1. Reframes the debate
2. Sets up a Strawman and other illogical crap (see above)
3. Goes for the emotional heart strings.
The fact is that intelligent leftists know that they do this because they do not care, the stupid ones actually play into it an kept it going on forums like this.
You Sir, FAIL - and don't tell me you were just using hyperbole or asking a sinmple question - you actually believe this to be a valid argument and your question was rhetorical. I sensed no tongue-in-cheek sarcastic slant and certainly no redaction or corrections thus far.
END ALL COMMUNICATIONS WITH THIS BUNDLE OF MISSFIRING NERONS WE KNOW AS NYer75
you are far to gracious shilo to spend the time and eloquence on the op . I have little patience well done.
1. How will this bill reduce medical expenses by adding 30-40 million patients?
More people in the pool, more choice, more competition, lower costs. More healthy people, less burden on the health system.
2. Will the politicians really cut 500 billion dollars from medicare, risking thier immediate expulsion from office by seniors?
The bill will stop the gov't from paying fees that are charged at 150% over fair market charges. Seems doctors like to rip of the system. That is ending. No one in medicare is going to see their level or quality of coverage drop
3. How will adding this huge buisness expense allow buisness to keep existing employees or hire new ones? The best case scenario is to be able to recoup (possibly) 50% of the additional cost per employee.
Tax incentives. Exchanges will allow more competition and choice and lowered costs.
4. How does shifting patients from the medicare prescription plan back to corporate insurance plans save the corporations money? Again, Catepillar estimates that this measure will cut corporate profits by 20%, forcing them to lay off existing employees and preventing new hires.
Repeat question.
5. Where will the increased providers needed (by adding 30-40million new patients) come from in a sitatuation of declining reimbursement to physicians? A 21% reduction in medicare reimibursement to providers was delayed, but will be instituted. Who is going to work harder for less money?
Decling reimbursements? No...more like getting them to charge rates that equals service provided. Not overcharging services by 100- 150%!
1. "more people in the pool". Now could you please explain to me how adding more people reduces costs? This is blatantly false and insane. There is no evidence that adding more people in any insurance pool reduces costs. How the heck did you come up with that?
2. "150% over fair market charge". I am a physician. You are not. Did you realize that we are paid, for each medicare patient, one fourth what we are paid by Blue Cross? We lose money on every medicare patient. If we charged medicare rates alone, every practice in our state would be bankrupt.
3. "Tax incentives". Brilliant. Buisnesses "may be allowed" to deduct up to 50% of the cost to provide insurance for employess. So a small buisness that does not offer healthcare currently pays AT LEAST 50% of the cost of health insurance for thier employees? Gee NY, that is a tremendous burden for small buisness and will cause most to not hire any additional employees or lay off existing employees. Further, prescription benefits for retirees of corporations will be transferred back to those corporataions (CAT and Deere are two examples) reducing thier corporate profits by 20%. The net result- no more new hires and layoffs.
4. See above. The WSJ covered this on the weekend edition. This is why major manufacturers were opposing this. Again- read the newspaper.
5. Declining reimbursement? obviously, you know nothing of medical reimbursement issues and have pulled this fantasy number out of your ass. Again, we are paid for medicare patients one fourth that of the reimbursement of the major insurer in our state. Medicare has "negotiated" (mandated) rock bottom fees such that many docs no longer accept medicare patients at all. Our practice accepts no new medicare patients due to low reimbursement. You obvioulsy know nothing of medicine and embarass yourself by making outlandish false statements.
5. Where will the increased providers needed (by adding 30-40million new patients) come from in a sitatuation of declining reimbursement to physicians? A 21% reduction in medicare reimibursement to providers was delayed, but will be instituted. Who is going to work harder for less money? Decling reimbursements? No...more like getting them to charge rates that equals service provided. Not overcharging services by 100- 150%!
What the heck? How can a physician or hospital over charge an insurance company or medicare? You are aware that the reimbursement is either contracted (private insurance) or Government set rate (Medicare, Medicaid). Hawkeye2009 is 100% correct.
Why does the Right want to kill Americans?
Kill how, you ask? Well, when someone is sick, the insurance company cancels their policy because it becomes "too expensive".....those people then die. Also, the insurance companies have caps. Once you meet that cap...that's it...you're done! Better pray you don't get a catastrophic medical emergency!
People without insurance are more likely to die than people with insurance.
Someone with a "pre-exsisting" condition can't get health insurance and winds up dying because of lack of insurance.
So why would the Right want to PREVENT people from securing health insurance is beyond me!
Too expensive! Of course, because we all can put a price on a human life.
Seems they are more concern about unborn children's lives than the ones already alive and breathing!
Haven't you heard of healthcare thru bankrupcy? That's the kind of health care that the right wants people without insurance to get behind. That way the government does not get further involved over covering medical care for people who don't have money of their own to pay for it.
Its under the LEFT that good social programs are created.
Maybe now some good republican people will see how their politicans are so tethered to big insurance and stop listening to the lies of the Hannity, ORiley, & Limbaugh crowd.
Which brings up another point; didnt Limbaugh say that he "would leave the country' if UHC passes?
I hope he is true to his words but, I doubt it. He makes to much money in this country.
The right wants people to get coverage and to live, We just dont want it done thru taxes and the government.
But whether you like it or not the money has to come from somewhere? So what do you want the government to do about it? Abolish all entitlemensts like welfare and Medicaid and encourage the setting up of private charities to raise money to pay for the medical care of needy people?
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