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Old 03-31-2010, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Oh but they did get to deduct under the bill. There was nothing illegal about it. This health care bill removed it so they have to now account for the additonal taxes.

When the Bush tax cuts expire you'll have to do the same thing next year. Deductions removed so you will have to react to paying more taxes so you'll either get less in your paycheck or you'll have to save more on the side. Same difference.


It was made legal but never should have been. They got a tax free subsidy and then were able to deduct that subsidy as an expense. They got free $$$ from the government than deducted it the same way they would deduct their own expenses. It was absolutely outrageous and ver should have happened in the first place.

I don't make anywhere near $250000 so my taxes won't be increasing next year.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It was made legal but never should have been. They got a tax free subsidy and then were able to deduct that subsidy as an expense. They got free $$$ from the government than deducted it the same way they would deduct their own expenses. It was absolutely outrageous and ver should have happened in the first place.

I don't make anywhere near $250000 so my taxes won't be increasing next year.
Well there is nothing on paper keeping those tax cuts. All we have so far is "a promise".

Until you see a bill passed, do not assume.

Regarding the bolded sentence above. I read that they were depreciating assets to cover the subsidy and this change required them to change the depreciation rate on those assets, hence the big writeoffs.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Florida
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to be a long list of corporations to get hit by obamacare.

The Associated Press: Prudential to take $100M health care charge in 1Q



The intended consequences of bad liberal policy.
I gotta tell you the past subsidy was dumber than dumb. The goverment subsidy was tax free, yet the corporations was able to deduct it on their tax anyway???? And it was only for selected few. So, yes, that kind of socialism has no place in United States.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:39 PM
 
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This is why there were already detailed estimates of the effect from well before the bill was passed.
Which Obama and Congress obviously ignored.. Why are they asking AFTER the bill passed, not before?
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What was not anticipated was the magnitude of the charges that some -- such as AT&T -- elected to take.
Why was it unanticpated, they didnt listen during their lunch meetings? They arent "electing" to take the charges, they are under an obligation to maximize their profits and report proper figures per SEC regulations and fiduciary responsibilities.
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Now, maybe they have a perfectly good rationale behind their numbers. If so, fine. But they are going to have to come down here and explain the situation,
They dont HAVE to come down and explain the situation, they were requested to come but they dont have to..
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as it isn't obvious to outside analysts.
Just like many of the other things...
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:42 PM
 
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I don't make anywhere near $250000 so my taxes won't be increasing next year.
You dont think the companies you deal with will pass on their taxes to their consumers, i.e. you? I mean seriously, where do you think the money will come from?
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:45 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You dont think the companies you deal with will pass on their taxes to their consumers, i.e. you? I mean seriously, where do you think the money will come from?
Hint to liberals: end user pays...
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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You dont think the companies you deal with will pass on their taxes to their consumers, i.e. you? I mean seriously, where do you think the money will come from?
They never should have gotten this in the first place I didn't see anything lowered when they got this massive amount of corporate welfare.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You dont think the companies you deal with will pass on their taxes to their consumers, i.e. you? I mean seriously, where do you think the money will come from?
Why would they be not overcharging NOW?
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:28 AM
 
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Yes we have, stop lying.. We repaid those debts with new debts and tax revenue, but dont pretend they havent been paid off..
So, the financial whiz-bang endorses paying off the Visa bill by charging it to the old Mastercard and vice versa. We have never repaid any of those debts. We have merely rolled them over into a new note upon the maturity of the original note. Want to explain how that would show up in a balance sheet?

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How the HELL is that going to happen if the government keeps taking more and consumers cant spend?
What sort of silly argument is that? Do you expect that federal revenues will somehow NOT increase as the economy recovers and then expands? Do you expect that emergency support payments will NOT decrease at the same time? Do you imagine that increasing receipts and decreasing outlays will NOT bring about deficit reduction that in tandem with GDP growth will work to LOWER the debt-to-GDP ratio?
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Boise
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good, insurance companies are the devil anyway. I hope they all go bankrupt and then we can pick up the pieces and put together a UHC system... until then I'll just enjoy my popcorn and watch the train wreck that is American public policy
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