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Old 04-12-2010, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Tropolis has it the same way I remember it.

McCain's poll numbers got a lift on naming Palin, but as soon as Palin opened her mouth it was all over. The more Palin talked the worse it got. The GOP played the "first woman" card and got burned when their choice turned out to be an intellectual midget. Collins or Snowe could have carried it for McCain, same as Romney could've. The RR would've voted for McCain no matter what, i.e., McCain had the RR vote and didn't need to pander to them; McCain simply shot himself in the ass. The RR cost the GOP the election. Sarah Palin keeps setting the GOP back.

Romney could've got McCain in the White House. He might still make it on his own.

Not sure why Fox is grilling Romney so hard, but consider that evangelical Huckabee is also a wannabe presidential candidate, Huckabee also has a "show" on Fox and Huckabee just came out with a "major" announcement that he is against gay marriage. I suspect that Fox is knocking Romney to make Huckabee look better. Fox is just doing a hack job on Romney, what else is new.
You don't remember it right. McCain/Palin were leading in the polls until the economy crashed. It had nothing to do with Palin.

McCain was behind Obama. He went and stayed ahead after picking Palin. The only reason Obama won was because the economy crashed.

That's exactly what happened. There is no evidence whatsoever that Palin cost McCain votes. None. Look up the polls. She helped him.

Somewhere along the way the Palin bashers have just made it up she hurt McCain. Just doing the old hack job on Palin, what else is new.
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Old 04-13-2010, 07:52 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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You don't remember it right. McCain/Palin were leading in the polls until the economy crashed. It had nothing to do with Palin.

McCain was behind Obama. He went and stayed ahead after picking Palin. The only reason Obama won was because the economy crashed.

That's exactly what happened. There is no evidence whatsoever that Palin cost McCain votes. None. Look up the polls. She helped him.

Somewhere along the way the Palin bashers have just made it up she hurt McCain. Just doing the old hack job on Palin, what else is new.
Dead wrong.
I'm afraid YOU are the one remembering wrong (how can ANYONE forget something sooooo quickly is beyond me).
McCain was generally behind the entire race. There were just 3 short exceptions. The first (and longest) was from mid-Dec 2007 through early-Feb 2008, the 2nd was very short - from mid-Mar through the end of Mar 2008, and the final was the big (but very short) spike he got when he first announce Palin as his running mate. That one spike started in early Sept 2008, peaked within a week, then McCain dropped back down below Obama after another week - giving him a total lead of just 2 weeks. They never again held the lead in any average of polls. Nmnita, Mike from back East and Tropolis are correct. Palin help BRIEFLY, then that help fizzled as it became apparent she was a dimwit. The fact is, Obama dominated the election for all but 3 very very short periods.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - General Election: McCain vs. Obama

Ken

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Old 04-13-2010, 08:14 AM
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As far as the mormon thing, when asked he should just bump it up against Islam. Tell the public to make a choice.
Who is the muslim he'd be running against?
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:19 AM
 
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who is the muslim he'd be running against?
obl ?
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:31 AM
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obl ?
Who is obl?
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I just can't get excited about him and yes, he will have problems because he can't explain what has happened in Mass. Wouldn't it be easier and more truthful to say, we screwed up, it didn't work. The Mormon issue will play a role, I am not sure a huge one anymore. I just think he is too dry and boring to turn enough people on plus he is going to burn out because he is getting involved too early. There seems to be a thin line. A few Republicans waited too long last time, but too early can kill you as well.

Nita
For Romney to be successful in obtaining the nomination, he is going to have to specifically parse how his Mass care plan significantly differs from the plan just passed under Obama.

If he cannot specifically point out major plan differences, and how they create substantially different financial outcomes, I don't think he gets the traction to be the nominee.
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:31 AM
 
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For Romney to be successful in obtaining the nomination, he is going to have to specifically parse how his Mass care plan significantly differs from the plan just passed under Obama.

If he cannot specifically point out major plan differences, and how they create substantially different financial outcomes, I don't think he gets the traction to be the nominee.
Agree. He sounded defensive when talking about Mass care...a program that has underperformed and been overbudget since day one. I'd have more faith and respect for him if he would have acknowledged its' shortcomings, his role in them..and ways to improve that type of plan on the national level. Instead, he stuck to the talking points. He was underwhelming.
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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For Romney to be successful in obtaining the nomination, he is going to have to specifically parse how his Mass care plan significantly differs from the plan just passed under Obama.

If he cannot specifically point out major plan differences, and how they create substantially different financial outcomes, I don't think he gets the traction to be the nominee.
and that is not what he was doing last night. He was just fumbling around for answers. Of course, by the time we get down to a serious compaign I am sure his advisors will find a way to address the issue.

Nita
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Old 04-13-2010, 09:46 AM
 
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I think he is just another typical politician who double talks and tries to justify and weasel his way out of things. Like Romney Care....I think the GOP would be making a big mistake backing this guy...
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Old 04-13-2010, 12:55 PM
 
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He looks presidential, sounds smarter than Bush or Obama( or Biden or Palin) and has some track record actually leading a government. I don't think his being a mormon will hurt. After four years of Obama making a mess of things, a snake handler or druid will look pretty good.
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