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Where in the law does it state that law enforcements jurisdiction stops at rallies? What about outside of rallies, the op stated, etc..
The law clearly says that they can't randomly ask for citizenship papers. They have to have stopped a person for something else and have reasonable suspicion beyond simply skin color and ethnicity. That's very different from showing up at a rally, or outside of one, and randomly asking for ID. That would be in direct violation of the Arizona law.
The law clearly says that they can't randomly ask for citizenship papers. They have to have stopped a person for something else and have reasonable suspicion beyond simply skin color and ethnicity.
The law allows police to ask anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant of proof of citizenship. What is reasonable suspicion for being an illegal immigrant? Do tell? The law also penalizes cops for not searching illegal immigrants.
Not just rallies, what about check points in the street, what about in parks, etc...If you have a gun, you should be able to provide a FOID card. If you don't have a gun, you have nothing to worry about. The only people who would worry about this are criminals with guns. Agree?
I use Clairiton -D an over the counter allergy medicine. In order to purchase this product I must show my valid drivers license , sign a document that I will use it lawfully and am limited to 15 pills every 15 days . My purchase is then reported to the US government .
I did this today, I do it twice a month .
Just show the papers if asked guns or citizenship , it won't kill you .
The law allows police to ask anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant of proof of citizenship. What is reasonable suspicion for being an illegal immigrant? Do tell? The law also penalizes cops for not searching illegal immigrants.
The law states that they must already be in lawful contact (stopped for something else), and that they must have reasonable suspicion. It also clearly states that race or ethnicity can not be the sole reason for suspicion. Your characterization of it is directly contradicted by the text of the law. (http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf)
As for what is reasonable suspicion, I might consider it reasonable if you don't have a driver's license, no plates on your car, provide evasive responses when asked you name, address etc. These are all perfectly normal questions for an officer to ask in a traffic stop if you don't have a driver's license. If you don't have an explanation for those, the officer has reason to be suspicious. By the way, the law also specifies that a valid drivers license is considered sufficient.
I use Clairiton -D an over the counter allergy medicine. In order to purchase this product I must show my valid drivers license , sign a document that I will use it lawfully and am limited to 15 pills every 15 days . My purchase is then reported to the US government .
I did this today, I do it twice a month .
The law states that they must already be in lawful contact (stopped for something else), and that they must have reasonable suspicion. It also clearly states that race or ethnicity can not be the sole reason for suspicion. Your characterization of it is directly contradicted by the text of the law. (http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf)
As for what is reasonable suspicion, I might consider it reasonable if you don't have a driver's license, no plates on your car, provide evasive responses when asked you name, address etc. These are all perfectly normal questions for an officer to ask in a traffic stop if you don't have a driver's license. If you don't have an explanation for those, the officer has reason to be suspicious. By the way, the law also specifies that a valid drivers license is considered sufficient.
If race and ethnicity is used as part of the of suspicion, that is racial profiling. Driver's licenses don't prove citizenship.
Oppose what? Your argument is a strawman. That's what I said.
If and when illegal gun possession rises to the level of illegal immigration, then I will support your proposition.
John Wayne Gasey had dozens of bodies buried in his backyard. You may as well propose law enforcement go around digging up everyone's yard.
What argument, I asked a question. I would never ask a question I could not answer myself. Police obtained a warrant to search Gacy's backyard, they coudn't do it without probably cause. So I ask again, if a police officer suspects members at a tea party or a traffic stop have a gun, do they have a right to search you and ask for a FOID card.
If race and ethnicity is used as part of the of suspicion, that is racial profiling. Driver's licenses don't prove citizenship.
You're stretching very hard to try to substantiate your concerns. The point about race and ethnicity was put in the law to specifically to protect against profiling.
The law in question states that a drivers license is sufficient to send you on your way. You clearly have not read it. Given your point about it not demonstrating citizenship, it seems that the standard is pretty low.
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