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Old 05-11-2010, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Some of us have noticed that an electric car is not an "emissions free" car, like California defines it. An electric car uses a battery to store energy, instead of simply burning gasoline for energy. But the energy must be created before it can be stored in the car battery. Are you going to burn coal, then send the electric energy over power lines (incurring losses of energy with each mile of line), to your house, or a charging station?
The car itself may be emission free, however. The source of energy production can be anything. These are two independent but dependent pieces of technologies we're talking about. By the measure you've adopted, a traditional car's emission wouldn't be limited to the car itself either, as it must get its supply of fuel, which is transported, and refined and extracted, and all of those processes require energy as well as have emissions related to them.

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Also consider the toxic chemicals used in making solar cells and batteries, and the disposal of these. And none of these "green" technologies will be made in America, anyway--China has all the production and manufacturing. We just have lawyers and government and financial "bubbles".
China has all the production and manufacturing because it hasn't had its head stuck in the sand as we have. That country seems to have the desire to progress and control the world to the best of their capacities, ingenuity and, more importantly, desire, that we're lacking now. We weren't always like this. We were more like that. Self-interest has been replaced by greed. Blaming just the lawyers and government does little to handle the doo doo. In fact, I see them as cop out, to maintain status quo and serve corporate interests above all else.

Going back to those toxic chemicals, are they really as big a concern as the complete processes involved in regular oil extract, refining and transportation, and use? Or, is that yet another cop-out? Solar cells are also being advanced greatly, and by the time we're done, the technology may be completely different than what a typical person is aware of. The least one could do, is to appreciate the research and advancement of technologies, and encourage it.
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Old 05-11-2010, 09:19 PM
 
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China has all the production and manufacturing because it hasn't had its head stuck in the sand as we have. That country seems to have the desire to progress and control the world to the best of their capacities, ingenuity and, more importantly, desire, that we're lacking now. We weren't always like this. We were more like that. Self-interest has been replaced by greed. Blaming just the lawyers and government does little to handle the doo doo. In fact, I see them as cop out, to maintain status quo and serve corporate interests above all else.
Honestly, I see the rise of conservatism as part of the problem. Conservatism is, by its very definition, hostile to innovation and new ideas. Just look at some of the comments in this thread.
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Old 05-12-2010, 04:39 PM
 
Location: in area code 919 & from 716
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Honestly, I see the rise of conservatism as part of the problem. Conservatism is, by its very definition, hostile to innovation and new ideas. Just look at some of the comments in this thread.
Really?

Conservatives believe in
One man with one woman which could
  • at least reduce children getting in trouble with the re-establishment of Family and the values that can come from their parents being their for them.
  • Reduce the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.
Where is the benefit of your digressive innovation for family?
then - let's look at the creation of laws upon laws upon laws made to CONTROL people for the sake of a few.

Understand that anyone who thinks it is correct to legislate the rights of some for the sake of others
is not only delusional but has taken this country beyond the limits that many loosely termed communist countries have EVER done to their own people.

Here is a good example - in Chapel Hill, NC (an extremely LIBERAL town) there is an article titled
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Poll finds support for cell-phone restrictions
North Carolina voters agree by more than four to one that the legislature should enact tougher restrictions on cell phone use for drivers - or ban it altogether.

Read more: Poll finds support for cell-phone restrictions - Road Worrier - NewsObserver.com
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UNC researchers: Ban cell phones while driving
Raleigh, N.C. — Lawmakers banned texting while driving last year. Now, researchers say it might be time to ban all cell phone use behind the wheel.

Arthur Goodwin, a senior research associate for the University of North Carolina Highway Safety Research Center, recently briefed state lawmakers about the dangers of talking while driving.
Read more: UNC researchers: Ban cell phones while driving :: WRAL.com
Damn! the dangers of talking while driving ... OH NO!!

REALITY CHECK - the very first auto that took off on a buggy trail most likely had talk going on in it!

WHATS NEXT Liberal?? No Passengers? Save gas in those tiny cars by making you walk!

Your attitude is insulting and lacks evidence of having been properly thought out!!
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Old 05-16-2010, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Damn! the dangers of talking while driving ... OH NO!!

REALITY CHECK - the very first auto that took off on a buggy trail most likely had talk going on in it!

WHATS NEXT Liberal?? No Passengers? Save gas in those tiny cars by making you walk!

Your attitude is insulting and lacks evidence of having been properly thought out!!
W, JW
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Old 05-16-2010, 12:56 AM
 
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I think I will just stick with my gas guzzling 30 mpg gasoline powered car, till it is taxed so high that I can't afford to do it.
Some of us car guys drive cars that get about 15 mpg at best and my pickup even less but thats the way they run. Big nice comfortable to drive and reliable vehicles consume lots of fuel.
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