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Old 05-09-2010, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Although I don't like the idea of this at all, I see what they are trying to achieve, and honestly anything that prevents girls from receiving radical genital mutilations has to be an improvement. This is a long-time coming, and something like this was attempted in Seattle a number of years ago, but was ultimately touted as giving in to outdated, inhumane practices. What are your thoughts?

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In a controversial change to a longstanding policy concerning the practice of female circumcision in some African and Asian cultures, the American Academy of Pediatrics is suggesting that American doctors be given permission to perform a ceremonial pinprick or “nick” on girls from these cultures if it would keep their families from sending them overseas for the full circumcision.

The academy’s committee on bioethics, in a policy statement last week, said some pediatricians had suggested that current federal law, which “makes criminal any nonmedical procedure performed on the genitals” of a girl in the United States, has had the unintended consequence of driving some families to take their daughters to other countries to undergo mutilation.
“It might be more effective if federal and state laws enabled pediatricians to reach out to families by offering a ritual nick as a possible compromise to avoid greater harm,” the group said.
Group Backs Ritual ‘Nick’ as Female Circumcision Option - NYTimes.com

Ritual Genital Cutting of Female Minors -- Committee on Bioethics 125 (5): 1088 -- AAP Policy
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:10 PM
 
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Although I don't like the idea of this at all, I see what they are trying to achieve, and honestly anything that prevents girls from receiving radical genital mutilations has to be an improvement. This is a long-time coming, and something like this was attempted in Seattle a number of years ago, but was ultimately touted as giving in to outdated, inhumane practices. What are your thoughts?



Group Backs Ritual ‘Nick’ as Female Circumcision Option - NYTimes.com

Ritual Genital Cutting of Female Minors -- Committee on Bioethics 125 (5): 1088 -- AAP Policy
Anytime i see the word "ritual" being used, I think of religion.

nuff said.

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Old 05-09-2010, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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Parents have their daughters "circumcised" in order to make them "marriageable" because most men in those countries where circumcision is practiced will not accept a woman in marriage who has not had this barbaric procedure performed. The problem would be getting the man to accept a woman who had only been "nicked" and that is going to take a lot of cultural unconditioning, as most men in such cultures insist on it in the women they marry,.
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Although I don't like the idea of this at all, I see what they are trying to achieve, and honestly anything that prevents girls from receiving radical genital mutilations has to be an improvement. This is a long-time coming, and something like this was attempted in Seattle a number of years ago, but was ultimately touted as giving in to outdated, inhumane practices. What are your thoughts?



Group Backs Ritual ‘Nick’ as Female Circumcision Option - NYTimes.com

Ritual Genital Cutting of Female Minors -- Committee on Bioethics 125 (5): 1088 -- AAP Policy
Any family that "sends" them overseas for that should be arrested and then deported for good.
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Parents have their daughters "circumcised" in order to make them "marriageable" because most men in those countries where circumcision is practiced will not accept a woman in marriage who has not had this barbaric procedure performed. The problem would be getting the man to accept a woman who had only been "nicked" and that is going to take a lot of cultural unconditioning, as most men in such cultures insist on it in the women they marry,.
True. From what I remember when this discussion was going on in Seattle, it wasn't so much the girl's parents generation who would need the idea sold to them, but the older generation. The younger generations were a lot more aware of the dilemma of melding traditional practices and fitting in to contemporary US culture.
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:58 PM
 
Location: California
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Nah. They need to get over the ritual and embrace the reality. I don't want anyone in this country who can't do that.
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Old 05-09-2010, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Nah. They need to get over the ritual and embrace the reality. I don't want anyone in this country who can't do that.
So no more ritual male circumcisions either then? Certainly male circumcisions are more damaging than what is being proposed here? Just being the devils advocate.
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Old 05-09-2010, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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True. From what I remember when this discussion was going on in Seattle, it wasn't so much the girl's parents generation who would need the idea sold to them, but the older generation. The younger generations were a lot more aware of the dilemma of melding traditional practices and fitting in to contemporary US culture.
I wonder if the girls' parents know what this procedure actually does to a woman. There is more at stake than just assimilating into a culture where female circumcision is not practiced. The mother may, herself, be circumcised yet be willing to forgo circumcision in her daughter only to have the grandparents insisting on it. While it is easy to dismiss this as a cultural thing, such as Jewish circumcision, no harm comes to the circumcised man unless the surgeon really screws up. Not so with the woman but we don't need to go into the nitty-gritty details.
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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[quote=Cunucu Beach;14107299]I wonder if the girls' parents know what this procedure actually does to a woman. There is more at stake than just assimilating into a culture where female circumcision is not practiced. The mother may, herself, be circumcised yet be willing to forgo circumcision in her daughter only to have the grandparents insisting on it. While it is easy to dismiss this as a cultural thing, such as Jewish circumcision, no harm comes to the circumcised man unless the surgeon really screws up. Not so with the woman but we don't need to go into the nitty-gritty details.[/quote]


Maybe we should.
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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I wonder if the girls' parents know what this procedure actually does to a woman. There is more at stake than just assimilating into a culture where female circumcision is not practiced. The mother may, herself, be circumcised yet be willing to forgo circumcision in her daughter only to have the grandparents insisting on it. While it is easy to dismiss this as a cultural thing, such as Jewish circumcision, no harm comes to the circumcised man unless the surgeon really screws up. Not so with the woman but we don't need to go into the nitty-gritty details.
Bear in mind, this is not about condoning all forms of female circumcision, or ritual genital mutilation as it should rightly be termed. This is about compromising on performing "a ceremonial pinprick or nick" in the clitoral hood.
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