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Old 05-14-2010, 05:49 AM
 
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Before I get censored here by the gays and fascists, I want to remember Mossadegh; a freedom loving, secularist, democratic Iranian. That is until Americans put a stop to it.


YouTube - Mossadegh - Stephen Kinzer - Iranian Democracy
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Old 05-14-2010, 06:37 AM
 
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Most people today probably think that Iran was always in the grip of Islamic fundamentalists and before that in the grip of the Shsh but, as the video reveals, that is not accurate. Although I was a teenager at the time, I remember the Iranian power struggle that brought the Shah to power. He was a romanticized figure in the West, especially his marriage to the wife who eventually bore children for him. That was highly covered in the West as was her pregnancy that followed the marriage. The pomp was akin to what the Brits do today when there is a royal marriage.
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Old 05-14-2010, 08:56 AM
 
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The Pahlavis are still making the Cocktail circuit trying to drum up a US invasion.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:10 AM
 
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Great book I'm sure you've all read: All The Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror by Kinzer.


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Old 05-14-2010, 09:45 AM
 
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I want to remember Mossadegh; a freedom loving, secularist, democratic Iranian.
Getting 1 out of 3 is a total fail in my opinion. The Shah was a secularist, you got that one right. But regardless of one's political poison, how anyone can call the head of a hereditary monarch, which traces its origins to a coup d'tat, and that overthrew a democratic government as being either freedom loving or democratic is simply astounding.
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Old 05-14-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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Getting 1 out of 3 is a total fail in my opinion. The Shah was a secularist, you got that one right. But regardless of one's political poison, how anyone can call the head of a hereditary monarch, which traces its origins to a coup d'tat, and that overthrew a democratic government as being either freedom loving or democratic is simply astounding.
There has to be an understanding that Iran is not America and the Iranian people aren't the American people.

The Shah was pretty much the best you were going to do without swinging towards a theocracy (or communism which lord knows the US never would have let happen).
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Old 05-14-2010, 03:30 PM
 
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The Shah was pretty much the best you were going to do...
Assuming the you is the U.S. I fail to see how was is best for the U.S. can even be considered what is best for Iran and as history and current events clearly demonstrate, the Shah was not in the U.S. long term interest or Iranians for that matter.
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Old 05-14-2010, 04:37 PM
 
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Getting 1 out of 3 is a total fail in my opinion. The Shah was a secularist, you got that one right. But regardless of one's political poison, how anyone can call the head of a hereditary monarch, which traces its origins to a coup d'tat, and that overthrew a democratic government as being either freedom loving or democratic is simply astounding.
Mossadegh wasn't the Shah.

He was the Prime Minister, who drove the Shah out of Iran, was trying to set up Iran as a democratic parliamentary republic, and got overthrown thanks to Ike and Churchill with the Shah restored.

As for the Pahlavis: they were military dictators in monarchical trappings.
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