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Old 05-21-2010, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Do you understand that government's primary role is to protect its citizens?

If that means we have enough strength to make other countries count the cost and weigh the risk before making an attack, then the government has done its job.

Right now, there is low cost and low risk to support our enemies and make an attack. Are you OK that enemies find it easier to try and set off bombs in our country? I'm not.
I don't see how some diplomacy is making it okay to set bombs off in the US.

I haven't seen any change in actions taken by foreign policy since the last year.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:03 AM
 
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So to make up a story about WMD's justifies an invasion of a country ?
And then when none are to be found change your story to "we have to save the people" ?

Proactive defense. No, not OK. Who gets to decide the potential enemy ?
I'm not speaking in specifics - only in intent and purpose.

If people are making things up, then that's another issue. All things should be based on truth.

Potential enemy? That's what intelligence is for.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:13 AM
 
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I don't see how some diplomacy is making it okay to set bombs off in the US.

I haven't seen any change in actions taken by foreign policy since the last year.
It's the diplomacy plus the actions.

The op/ed mentioned Obama trying to make an agreement, Iran slaps him down, and Obama comes back with another agreement. All he does is apologize and appease.

As far as actions...

Reducing our weaponry. Not giving Poland a missile shield as we promised. Not taking sanctions seriously regarding Iran & nukes. Giving Israel (our ally whether you like it or not) the cold shoulder. Not indicating people who harm or attempt harm in this country as part of radical Islam. Not wanting to declare victory. Where is the strength? Where is the fortitude? When does He show any actions that indicate he is interested in protecting Americans? Also, putting people who think and believe like the enemy in the administration.

Have you seen any indication that he wants to protect you?

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Old 05-21-2010, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Do you understand that government's primary role is to protect its citizens?
Not picking fights is the most cost-effective way of doing that.

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If that means we have enough strength to make other countries count the cost and weigh the risk before making an attack, then the government has done its job.
We already do have "enough strength" to annihilate every worthwhile target on the entire globe. I can think of words for that other than "defense."

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Right now, there is low cost and low risk to support our enemies and make an attack. Are you OK that enemies find it easier to try and set off bombs in our country? I'm not.
What enemies, pal?

We aren't at war with any particular nation; and your enemies may very well not be my enemies.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Reducing our weaponry.
Needed.

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Not giving Poland a missile shield as we promised.
I'm half-Polish myself, but who gives a ****?

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Not taking sanctions seriously regarding Iran & nukes.
In other words, continuing the Bush policy of realism: they are going to have nukes whether we like it or not.

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Giving Israel (our ally whether you like it or not) the cold shoulder.
I don't like it, and they are not. **** Israel. We do not have a mutual defense pact with them, which makes them the ally only of the neocons and the Armageddonite Christian lunatics, not of the United States.

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Have you seen any indication that he wants to protect you?
Yes. Stopping wars before they start, and staying out of wars where we can, protects me and mine. If you are so concerned about Israel, then ****ING GO THERE AND GET LOST.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:54 AM
 
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Not picking fights is the most cost-effective way of doing that.
Not speaking specifically of Bush - but if activity is happening that warrants pre-emptive action or sanctions, then you do it now instead of later.

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We already do have "enough strength" to annihilate every worthwhile target on the entire globe. I can think of words for that other than "defense."
Enough strength?? In equipment, yes. In a willingness from the administration to use the equipment, no.

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What enemies, pal?

We aren't at war with any particular nation; and your enemies may very well not be my enemies.
Those of radical Islam have already stated they wanted to bring down this country. There have been offshoots that have performed singular acts of murder or attempted murder. Do you wait for the bomb to explode before you take action? OR do you take them for their word and act before more people are killed?
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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Needed.



I'm half-Polish myself, but who gives a ****?



In other words, continuing the Bush policy of realism: they are going to have nukes whether we like it or not.



I don't like it, and they are not. **** Israel. We do not have a mutual defense pact with them, which makes them the ally only of the neocons and the Armageddonite Christian lunatics, not of the United States.



Yes. Stopping wars before they start, and staying out of wars where we can, protects me and mine. If you are so concerned about Israel, then ****ING GO THERE AND GET LOST.
What has he done to stop a war? If anything, he has tried to protect any backlash against radical Islam.

The rest of your post is just funny - the Christians and Israelis are lunatics and the Islamists are planting bombs just for you - yet they can stay and you would rather I leave. Thanks for the laugh.
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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If it wasn't for the stupid war in Iraq, Iran would be in its place, held in check by Iraq. You can thank Bush for that. If it wasn't for the GOP financial policies which further put us as a debtor nation, the BRIC nations would not be starting to trade in their own currencies with each other and would still plan on using the USD.
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Way,Way Up On The Old East Coast
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OP/ED by C. Krauthammer

The Fruits of Weakness

The real news is that already notorious photo: the president of Brazil, our largest ally in Latin America, and the prime minister of Turkey, for more than half a century the Muslim anchor of NATO, raising hands together with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the most virulently anti-American leader in the world.

That picture -- a defiant, triumphant take-that-Uncle-Sam -- is a crushing verdict on the Obama foreign policy. It demonstrates how rising powers, traditional American allies, having watched this administration in action, have decided that there's no cost in lining up with America's enemies and no profit in lining up with a U.S. president given to apologies and appeasement.

They've watched President Obama's humiliating attempts to appease Iran, as every rejected overture is met with abjectly renewed U.S. negotiating offers. American acquiescence reached such a point that the president was late, hesitant and flaccid in expressing even rhetorical support for democracy demonstrators who were being brutally suppressed and whose call for regime change offered the potential for the most significant U.S. strategic advance in the region in 30 years.

...

This is not just an America in decline. This is an America in retreat -- accepting, ratifying and declaring its decline, and inviting rising powers to fill the vacuum.

Nor is this retreat by inadvertence. This is retreat by design and, indeed, on principle. It's the perfect fulfillment of Obama's adopted Third World narrative of American misdeeds, disrespect and domination from which he has come to redeem us and the world. Hence his foundational declaration at the U.N. General Assembly last September that "No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation" (guess who's been the dominant nation for the last two decades?) and his dismissal of any "world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another." (NATO? The West?)

What else can be said? He has put our country on more dangerous footing that we have ever had in my lifetime.
DRobForJC !!! ... Three Thumbs Up For You !

And yet we ... the majority of the American People are immediatley cognizant of the sheer madness of such an inept and disastrous foreign policy course of action by HO & crew !!!

To deliberately weaken this great nations military and political resolve in the face of our considerable deadly enemies around the world is nothing more than inviting the conquest and domination (enslavement) of our nation & people at the hands of those very ruthless & barbaric enemies.....

If the above "Nightmare Scenario" is something you do not any under circumstances want to see come to pass ... then remember just how important it is to give this acutely pitiful bunch of idiotic "Career politicians" a most hard "Voters Boot", kick in the azzzzzzzzzzz, as far away from D.C. as possible in 2012 !

If the HO & crew misfits remain in office after the election in 2012, then we must find the best posssible way to "Kick Our Own Asses" and then prepare for the absolute worst !

Raise you hand if you want the "Puddin Headed" HO bunch to surrender this nation to our greatest and most dangerous enemies and become a conquered people !!!

If you didn't raise your hand ... remember to resolutely vote this bunch the hell outta the WH in 2012 !

I propose a toast to a greater and even more powerful America on the world stage ..... Yes we can drink to that and so mote it be !!!

Thanks / Old lamar
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