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And you have no clue as to the definition of spying or what constitutes personal information.
And every time you use your Credit card at your local supermarket, you give MORE personal information to that Supermarket than Windows monitory programs will provide to Microsoft.
That supermarket has the following information on you when you use your credit card:
1) your name
2) your address
3) your phone number
4) your buying habits
5) your average spending habits
6) your last purchase at their store, what it consisted of and how much you spent
7) if that store has a sister company, that sister company now has all of the available information above
8) Your information is now put on a huge list, that they remarket to
9) that list is sold to other companies for remarketing purposes.
So, how is Microsoft's Windows authentication monitoring program "gleening" any personal information off of you, than you using your credit card at your local supermarket?
some of what MS is looking at:
Your Microsoft software are legitimate
other companies (say Quicken) can choose to opt-in to monitor their installed software to check that your copies are legitimate.
Your OS settings and computer information (in case Windows has an error, they can track that error to improve their OS in the next update).
Own any adobe products ?Well, Adobe has their own Authentication program that installs when you buy and install any of their software. and that program exists for all OS"s that run their program.
so you and Emily can continue to live in your paranoid mindset.
But if you don't want to be hypocrites, then cut up every single credit card and debit card you own; get rid of any supermarket club card you own, cancel all of your bank accounts; turn off your electricity and water, and trash collection. Turn of your gas (if you have it) . Disconnect yourself from the internet, throw away all your computers. Get rid of your cable/satellite service, cancel your cel phones - because in more ways than one, all of these services provide your personal information to someone in some form or another 24/7
and yes, it has always been an OS war. Apple vs Micorsoft vs Linux - the war has been going on ever since Jobs and Gates split apart over 30 years ago. As old as Nintendo vs Sega and then Nintendo vs Sony vs Microsoft - its the "I'm better than you' attitude of all the fanboys out there.
Bill Gates has far more important things to do than worry about what kind of porn you like to watch.
Next.
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Originally Posted by Jeezy is BACK
In case you haven't noticed, Microsoft ISN'T the government. That's a thick line to drag your feet across there. Microsoft is a Corporation that sells a product. If, when selling this product, they like to make sure you're not downloading their other products illegally with the help of their own products, they're more than welcome to do so. Imagine it like a convenience store installing security cameras. You don't like to be on tape? Shop somewhere else.
Get over it.
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Originally Posted by Jeezy is BACK
Furthermore, nobody is forcing you to purchase Microsoft products in the first place. So the talk of your civil liberties are incoherent afterthoughts with no merit.
It's like suing McDonald's for causing you to gain weight. Nobody put you in a little room and forced you to eat that double quarter pounder.
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Originally Posted by Arus
Having a few friends that work for Microsoft, your post is simple and the truth.
You provide more information to a company by simply providing a credit card when you purchase your Vendi Mocha Latte at Starbucks than what your computer provides to Microsoft.
the paranoia is so thick in this thread, it borders on stupidity.
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Originally Posted by Jeezy is BACK
Also, the Russian government is conspiring with intergalactic Aliens to kidnap you in your sleep. You'd better lock yourself in your basement just in case.
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Originally Posted by tb4000
I think these idiots should just go back to the telegraph to communicate. That's apparently the only way they can be sure they're not being monitored.
Well, Emily, your post was excellent and raised questions and issues all should be aware of and be thinking about. Directed to an educated audience of mature adults, it would have resulted in an uplifting and very worthwhile discussion. But, of course, we knew that would be very wishful thinking. So.......the real world population being what it is, we get the above. It was a mile over their heads.
And that sad reality explains so much of what is and what isn't going on around us today. But at least you tried - and for that I thank you.
And every time you use your Credit card at your local supermarket, you give MORE personal information to that Supermarket than Windows monitory programs will provide to Microsoft.
That supermarket has the following information on you when you use your credit card:
1) your name
2) your address
3) your phone number
4) your buying habits
5) your average spending habits
6) your last purchase at their store, what it consisted of and how much you spent
7) if that store has a sister company, that sister company now has all of the available information above
8) Your information is now put on a huge list, that they remarket to
9) that list is sold to other companies for remarketing purposes.
So, how is Microsoft's Windows authentication monitoring program "gleening" any personal information off of you, than you using your credit card at your local supermarket?
some of what MS is looking at:
Your Microsoft software are legitimate
other companies (say Quicken) can choose to opt-in to monitor their installed software to check that your copies are legitimate.
Your OS settings and computer information (in case Windows has an error, they can track that error to improve their OS in the next update).
Own any adobe products ?Well, Adobe has their own Authentication program that installs when you buy and install any of their software. and that program exists for all OS"s that run their program.
so you and Emily can continue to live in your paranoid mindset.
But if you don't want to be hypocrites, then cut up every single credit card and debit card you own; get rid of any supermarket club card you own, cancel all of your bank accounts; turn off your electricity and water, and trash collection. Turn of your gas (if you have it) . Disconnect yourself from the internet, throw away all your computers. Get rid of your cable/satellite service, cancel your cel phones - because in more ways than one, all of these services provide your personal information to someone in some form or another 24/7
and yes, it has always been an OS war. Apple vs Micorsoft vs Linux - the war has been going on ever since Jobs and Gates split apart over 30 years ago. As old as Nintendo vs Sega and then Nintendo vs Sony vs Microsoft - its the "I'm better than you' attitude of all the fanboys out there.
I personally would only use a credit card in a grocery store if I discovered I had no cash to pay for my purchases. This rarely if ever happens. I rarely shop at stores that give discounts only to courtesy card holders and I give most of my business to markets that don't have or require the use of courtesy cards..that offer all promotions to all of their shoppers -- no matter what type of plastic they might carry.
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[SIZE=2]Here are two reports:[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]YouTube - US border guards get full access to your data[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]YouTube - Laptop Seizures - ACTE's Gurley speaks to KDS's Berteloot[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]Naomi Wolf, author of The End of America says this kind of hassling of citizens by governments is one of the indications of a closing society. But it goes further. Innocent Americans can be arrested, detained and tortured for no reason.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]YouTube - Naomi Wolf: America is a Closing Society[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]Guess what President OBAMA'S response is? He's making it EASIER for the government to abuse and further trample on our Constitutional rights,....searching EVERYTHING on your computer!.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]YouTube - Obama Passing New Law To Allow Snooping Of Laptop and Media Devices[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=2]It is PAST time you "I don't have anything to hide" people WAKE UP and realize that by giving the government and corporations an inch, they will AND DO take not just a mile but miles. It is time to STOP letting them do this for your own protection and safety.[/SIZE]
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I don't understand your attitude AT ALL! Do you LIKE being spied on? Don't you like FREEDOM and LIBERTY?
Microsoft is NOT the government correct BUT THE GOVERNMENT LETS THEM DO IT. It is called FASCISM where big business like the BANKS and big corporations COLLUDE with the government. The average American gains NOTHING from putting up with it.
You're wasting your time Emily. Sometimes I think that Americans have lost all their healthy survival instincts. Just be glad that you still have yours.
Yeah you have to read the fine print on anything that you even think about installing. If in doubt don't install. Also I just block permission via firewall to anything that doesn't require it. All sorts of crap asks for permission to access the net but it won't get it.
[SIZE=2]Were all of you people in the "I don't care. I don't have anything to hide." camp aware and comfortable with the fact that U.S. Customs can no, without a warrant, seize your laptop and any other electronic devices indefinitely as well as copy and share the information with whomever they want? You don't even have to be suspected of an y wrong doing?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Here are two reports:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]YouTube - US border guards get full access to your data[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]YouTube - Laptop Seizures - ACTE's Gurley speaks to KDS's Berteloot[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Naomi Wolf, author of The End of America says this kind of hassling of citizens by governments is one of the indications of a closing society. But it goes further. Innocent Americans can be arrested, detained and tortured for no reason.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]YouTube - Naomi Wolf: America is a Closing Society[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Guess what President OBAMA'S response is? He's making it EASIER for the government to abuse and further trample on our Constitutional rights,....searching EVERYTHING on your computer!.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]YouTube - Obama Passing New Law To Allow Snooping Of Laptop and Media Devices[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]It is PAST time you "I don't have anything to hide" people WAKE UP and realize that by giving the government and corporations an inch, they will AND DO take not just a mile but miles. It is time to STOP letting them do this for your own protection and safety.[/SIZE]
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I sure do admire your persistence, Emily, but you are addressing people who are simply not wired right, as reflected by their knee-jerk refusal to pause and reflect on the concept you are talking about. They are the poster children for America's modern intellectual bankruptcy - and because of their numbers are by far the most significant threat to the future of freedom that we have ever faced.
I have participated in this debate on different forums many times over the last several years and it is always the same. Typically there are a few like you who "get it", but they are usually drowned out by the chorus of zombies who cannot, no matter how patiently you attempt to tutor, even understand the conceptual difference between placing you under suspicion of theft without cause in a scorched earth search for "criminals" and a company fine-tuning their marketing efforts based on your purchase history.
We have failed as a nation to maintain an educated population who thus stand vigilant against the enemies of freedom, as history has shown we must. We are paying a dear price and I fear it is only a down payment on the bill that will come due soon.
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