Not so liberal in Portland (Woodburn, Forest Grove: schools, living in, vs)

[JonathanLB]

Originally Posted by oregonwoodsmoke

The progressives in Portland appear to be narrow minded and extremely intolerant. Unless you closely toe the progressive party line, you can expect hostility.

Bingo. He will hate it. Portland is a horribly run backwards city with nothing but intolerant social justice warriors and hardcore liberal radicals. I’m also a libertarian and can’t wait to leave. I was born here and have lived elsewhere but came back here for my GF. We both hate it here and can’t stand the liberal politics and socialist radicals. From one libertarian to another I can promise it’s an impossible place to live and you just feel like an outsider all of the time. They make sure of it. We can’t wait to be in Nevada, maybe the only true libertarian state and best of all 0 income tax at the state level. Oregon charges taxes like it’s a world class place to be but it’s not whatsoever.

What another poster said is EXACTLY right - people all assume you’re a radical liberal too, which is really awkward. They start talking at you about whatever whacky stupid ideas the left has cooked up again, none of which are ever rooted in logic only emotion. The craziness simply knows no bounds. I find it to be a depressing experience because who wants to live somewhere you just feel unwelcome because everyone is so hostile and intolerant of anyone else’s ideas? I love the great liberal ideas of the past, from freedom to love who you want guy or girl, freedom of choice, freedom of ideas, but I don’t like radical liberals because they’re not real liberals. They’re absolutely hostile to democracy and free speech. They only tolerate their own kind and nobody else.

[take57]

Originally Posted by JonathanLB

Bingo. He will hate it. Portland is a horribly run backwards city with nothing but intolerant social justice warriors and hardcore liberal radicals. I’m also a libertarian and can’t wait to leave. I was born here and have lived elsewhere but came back here for my GF. We both hate it here and can’t stand the liberal politics and socialist radicals. From one libertarian to another I can promise it’s an impossible place to live and you just feel like an outsider all of the time. They make sure of it. We can’t wait to be in Nevada, maybe the only true libertarian state and best of all 0 income tax at the state level. Oregon charges taxes like it’s a world class place to be but it’s not whatsoever.

Does this help?

[JonathanLB]

A time machine would be more helpful! But thanks

[98IndyPacecarguy]

Originally Posted by take57

Does this help?

Can you map me a route to Central Florida as well?


I'm outta the PDX metro soon (lived here all my life).


Leaving for a lot of the same reason Jonathan stated so profoundly.


Lower COL, NO state income tax, allowed to homestead your home for lower property taxes, and moderate politics, which I consider as fiscally conservative, and socially liberal.

[Minervah]

Even among my Portland friends I left behind when I moved from there a few years ago, I really can see the intolerance that prevails in Portland and I moved to Ohio. Now I have to add that I live in a small city of 50,000 outside of Cleveland that is mixed in race, culture and attitude. We vote blue but there is a bit of everything here including one of the largest gay populations in a city of its size.

Contrast to Portland and Portland does seem very provincial. I couldn't even have a discussion of the show "Roseanne"on FB without my so-called liberal Portland friends kicking up a fuss quoting lines on the show that were never spoken from scenes that were never shown on the program. They were getting their information from some reporter from the NYT who had an extreme bias against the show and had reported these scenes and lines that had never happened.

I tried to tell my friends that the reporter was inaccurate, I encouraged them to watch the show and then we could discuss it. They refused. They kept spouting all sorts of misinformation taken from their ultra liberal sources. One went so far as to unfriend me. Questioning the NYTs? Sacrilege! They were doing exactly what they always accused the extreme Right of doing, mimicking sources like Fox News without fact-checking. But I think they were just as stubborn in their thinking.

There is a really strong attitude that prevails among many in Portland that I think of as Militant Left which to me is no better than Militant Right. Me, I'm Liberal Middle.

As I said before though, there are those who support Trump, there are Libertarians, there are all kinds in Portland but they are in the minority so you have to seek them out.

[take57]

Originally Posted by 98IndyPacecarguy

Can you map me a route to Central Florida as well?


I'm outta the PDX metro soon (lived here all my life).


Leaving for a lot of the same reason Jonathan stated so profoundly.


Lower COL, NO state income tax, allowed to homestead your home for lower property taxes, and moderate politics, which I consider as fiscally conservative, and socially liberal.

I'm happy for you. At least you're showing some initiative.

[bobspez]

When did we get to the point that our politics had to be everyone's business? I remember when people didn't share who they voted for, and no one asked. The voting booth is covered with a screen for a reason, to keep your vote private. It was considered impolite to discuss politics or religion at gatherings. When did people start wearing their politics like a uniform? And when did their politics become part of their identity? Regardless of politics people want the same things for themselves and their family. Some work for it. Some get welfare. Some steal it legally. Some steal it illegally. Who cares? The wealthiest and most powerful people are the biggest crooks. They get their money off the backs of others, and they take the biggest cut, just like the church and the mafia. You won't change it. What does it matter?

[pdxMIKEpdx]

It appears there are a lot of folks that don't live in Portland proper chiming in here...

Well, I am in my seventies now, born in Sellwood, raised in Westmoreland/llewelynn, lived my adult life and raised my family in Woodstock.

Is that "proper" enough?
(What true Portlander says "Portland Proper" anyways?)

Except for my college and military years, I have lived in Portland all my life.

In 2012, I finally had it with the BS that is Portland, sold just about everything I owned, moved out to the rural countryside around Mollalla, and could not be any happier with that decision.

I too am a libertarian, (with the little L), but Portland was just getting a little too much for me.

I am "Old Oregon" and Portland isn't.

To me, Portland is all show and no substance.
Currently it's foundering.
Other than the huge "progressive" liberal voting block (that does not really reflect how most of this State thinks), there is no reason to really take Portland seriously anymore.


Certainly the rest of the State doesn't.

[take57]

Originally Posted by bobspez

When did we get to the point that our politics had to be everyone's business? I remember when people didn't share who they voted for, and no one asked. The voting booth is covered with a screen for a reason, to keep your vote private. It was considered impolite to discuss politics or religion at gatherings. When did people start wearing their politics like a uniform? And when did their politics become part of their identity? Regardless of politics people want the same things for themselves and their family. Some work for it. Some get welfare. Some steal it legally. Some steal it illegally. Who cares? The wealthiest and most powerful people are the biggest crooks. They get their money off the backs of others, and they take the biggest cut, just like the church and the mafia. You won't change it. What does it matter?

I'll agree with you that "you won't change it"

My career had me live in virtually every part of the country at one time or another and I would have saved myself a great deal of angst had I sooner come to the realization that regardless of how 'right' I believed I was, regardless of whatever leverage (or lack of) I thought I had and regardless of whatever noise I made, at the end of the day my will was not going to bend the trajectory of where I lived. Period.

Folks, life is way too short to settle in a place where you're at odds with your fellow residents. The only excuse for not finding a way out is incarceration (self-imposed or otherwise). I have little time for any other narrative. While "If you hate it that much, move" is glib, there's an underlying truth to it.

Find a way.

[take57]

Originally Posted by pdxMIKEpdx

Well, I am in my seventies now, born in Sellwood, raised in Westmoreland/llewelynn, lived my adult life and raised my family in Woodstock.

Is that "proper" enough?
(What true Portlander says "Portland Proper" anyways?)

Except for my college and military years, I have lived in Portland all my life.

In 2012, I finally had it with the BS that is Portland, sold just about everything I owned, moved out to the rural countryside around Mollalla, and could not be any happier with that decision.

I too am a libertarian, (with the little L), but Portland was just getting a little too much for me.

I am "Old Oregon" and Portland isn't.

To me, Portland is all show and no substance.
Currently it's foundering.
Other than the huge "progressive" liberal voting block (that does not really reflect how most of this State thinks), there is no reason to really take Portland seriously anymore.


Certainly the rest of the State doesn't.

So we're flashing bona fides huh?

If you're living in Mollalla, you're not in Portland proper.

Perhaps CD will open up a Mollalla specific thread where you can assert your credentials.