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Old 05-25-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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I don't know. Are you telling me that if an average-looking or even ugly guy approached unattractive girls, that he would constantly get rejected? I don't know if I buy that.

The majority of the time, yes. Women are choosier so they often feel guys are beneath them, even if they aren't in actuality.
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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The majority of the time, yes. Women are choosier so they often feel guys are beneath them, even if they aren't in actuality.
If women are so choosy, why are they going out with all these alpha-male jerks, instead of "nice guys?"
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:36 PM
 
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If women are so choosy, why are they going out with all these alpha-male jerks, instead of "nice guys?"

Most aren't good looking enough for the alphas and they really don't want the "nice guys".
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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I feel like I'm losing this argument lol....
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:39 PM
 
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The majority of the time, yes. Women are choosier so they often feel guys are beneath them, even if they aren't in actuality.
I alluded to that, and it's a reason I think non-trivial use of makeup is bad for society. Too many made-up women snubbing men. I'd bet that was one reason the killer hated sorority girls. PUAH made a big deal of makeup fraud.
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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I alluded to that, and it's a reason I think non-trivial use of makeup is bad for society. Too many made-up women snubbing men. I'd bet that was one reason the killer hated sorority girls. PUAH made a big deal of makeup fraud.

The killer had his own issues. Even if he did find a girl, it wouldn't have lasted long. He was a walking time bomb.
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:45 PM
 
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I think part of the problem here is that all the lonely people not in relationships think they are the only ones in that situation, and that makes them feel even worse.

But in reality there are millions of young people or people of any age in that situation at any given time.

What makes them feel bad in the first place is societies obsession with pairing up, getting laid and seeking validation from the process. We live in age of increasing unwanted child birth, single parent families, rampant std's, sex tourism, promiscuity and a general obsession with sex and quantity of partners rather than quality. However, despite this I still hear / see people shaming those who wish to wait, or shaming incels, guys who are not ''successful'' with women and guys who decide to remain single.

Think about it, society is shaming someone who is at less risk of creating unwanted families, someone who is less likely to create single parent families, a person who is not spreading std's and promiscuity. A person who cannot get attention from the opposite gender is often labelled as a loser when all they are is just a person that hasn't had success with the opposite gender. Another thing to consider is the source of loneliness, something Ive mentioned many times.

If a person can still feel lonely when in a relationship, a marriage or a huge crowd then it shows that it comes from within. That may be an over simplification but I think again, there is a fallacy that loneliness can be solved through external means when I believe it not to be so.
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:48 PM
 
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If women are so choosy, why are they going out with all these alpha-male jerks, instead of "nice guys?"
Because alpha male jerks are what women are attracted to. That's their choosiness in action.
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Old 05-25-2014, 12:56 PM
 
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What makes them feel bad in the first place is societies obsession with pairing up, getting laid and seeking validation from the process. We live in age of increasing unwanted child birth, single parent families, rampant std's, sex tourism, promiscuity and a general obsession with sex and quantity of partners rather than quality. However, despite this I still hear / see people shaming those who wish to wait, or shaming incels, guys who are not ''successful'' with women and guys who decide to remain single.

Think about it, society is shaming someone who is at less risk of creating unwanted families, someone who is less likely to create single parent families, a person who is not spreading std's and promiscuity. A person who cannot get attention from the opposite gender is often labelled as a loser when all they are is just a person that hasn't had success with the opposite gender. Another thing to consider is the source of loneliness, something Ive mentioned many times.

If a person can still feel lonely when in a relationship, a marriage or a huge crowd then it shows that it comes from within. That may be an over simplification but I think again, there is a fallacy that loneliness can be solved through external means when I believe it not to be so.
Very well put! Society picks on those who cause the least amount of collateral damage.
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Old 05-25-2014, 01:05 PM
 
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By the way, freedom of association and contract went down the drain with the Civil Rights Act. If white southern business owners can be forced to do business with black customers, then there's actually no real argument as to why women shouldn't be forced to date betas.
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