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Old 09-17-2019, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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IQ is genetic, BUT

It doesn't completely account for language barriers and education. That's what makes hard conclusions about it difficult.
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Old 09-17-2019, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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1. Race and genetics are not identical.

2. IQ is not intelligence.
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Old 09-17-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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IQ is genetic, BUT

It doesn't completely account for language barriers and education. That's what makes hard conclusions about it difficult.
It is bizarre that East Asians migrants from a totally different culture that speak broken English score so well in ASAT tests.
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Old 09-17-2019, 02:58 PM
 
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1. Race and genetics are not identical.

2. IQ is not intelligence.
Lets just say some people are smarter than others. Do you agree?
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Old 09-17-2019, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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My parents were very different. Dad's IQ was off the chart. Mom's is under 100.

Mine is 145 my siblings are also very high.

We split the difference.
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Old 09-17-2019, 11:54 PM
 
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Lets just say some people are smarter than others. Do you agree?

Yes. A composite test could be devised based off of demonstrated success and problem solving skills.
The "smart" people I meet are distributed on a Gaussian normal curve showing they are:


1) financially successful (if they want to be).
2) civil enough to cooperate with
3) healthy
4) low risk taking
5) educated
6) enjoying life


Individual circumstances will cause outliers to these generalizations. No anecdotal stories please.
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Outside US
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It is bizarre that East Asians migrants from a totally different culture that speak broken English score so well in ASAT tests.
They study a lot more, are more motivated and East Asians have higher non-verbal intelligence score.

There are different theories as to why. Even Malcolm Gladwell proposed a reason.

Of course, intelligence is related to genetics like every thing else.

It's not known how much so however. Some scientists put the range at 40-80%

Its too bad that the topic of human intelligence is so taboo.

It seems to be changing however.
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Old 09-18-2019, 01:16 AM
 
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Did you know that in 1923, when Jews were given Intelligence tests by the army, they were thought to be not intelligent at all?

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...orting/376451/



As for race and IQ (and yes, race is a social construct, but it is prevalent to classify people by race in our society)
My first thought is the question of methodology. In how many languages was the testing performed? How many subjects were tested in what was not their first language? Were considerations taken for those living their daily lives with parents and grandparents speaking a different tongue? Ghettoization was quite common in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries creating insular societies with different sources of information which can affect test performance.
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Old 09-18-2019, 05:42 AM
 
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Yes. A composite test could be devised based off of demonstrated success and problem solving skills.
The "smart" people I meet are distributed on a Gaussian normal curve showing they are:


1) financially successful (if they want to be).
2) civil enough to cooperate with
3) healthy
4) low risk taking
5) educated
6) enjoying life


Individual circumstances will cause outliers to these generalizations. No anecdotal stories please.
The best predictor of success in life is high IQ. However, it is not the sole cause of success. The US armed forces have used an intelligence test for decades to separate wheat from chaff.
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Old 09-18-2019, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Outside US
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My first thought is the question of methodology. In how many languages was the testing performed? How many subjects were tested in what was not their first language? Were considerations taken for those living their daily lives with parents and grandparents speaking a different tongue? Ghettoization was quite common in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries creating insular societies with different sources of information which can affect test performance.
Take the Raven test as an example.
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