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Old 05-02-2011, 09:59 PM
 
Location: South FL
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Originally Posted by Mikala43 View Post
I'm against, too much pressure. Too idealistic, unrealistic, Disney-esque. And this is coming from someone in a GOOD realtionship. /rofl

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Many have thought that this word represents divine, unconditional, self-sacrificing, active, volitional, and thoughtful love.
That's the thing...when it's really love, there is no pressure.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:04 PM
 
Location: California
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I am SO incredibly relieved for this thread. It is nice to know that there are others who believe the same as I have for so long. Love is just love. No cynicism in any way, it is just what it is....love. Marriage is a completely different issue and partnership.

And sierraAZ has said it the best!
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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That's the thing...when it's really love, there is no pressure.
I so agree with you. I will qualify that I agree with agape, after the fact? A result of serendipity, but not a goal?

Sorry, I have too many girlfriends that are so Disney fairytale oriented (and always unhappy with the prince du jour), that I am probably nit picking.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Hawaii
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Sierra is wise.
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Old 05-03-2011, 03:14 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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The Greeks had it right. They have 2 words for love: eros and agape, and they knew the two do not mix. Also, neither one of them is used in the sense of "I love burgers."

Religion aside, that guy got it right, too:

According to Nygren, agape and eros have nothing to do with each other, belonging to two entirely separate realms. The former is divine love that creates and bestows value even on the unlovable object, whereas the latter is pagan love that seeks its own fulfillment from any value in the object. The former, being altruistic, is the center of Christianity, whereas the latter is egocentric and non-Christian.

Agape - New World Encyclopedia
How about philia?
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It doesn't have to be EITHER OR.

I fell in love with my wife because of how exciting it was that we were so compatible!

The problem is more the stupid reasons people find others attractive...I find people who suit me and my personality and lifestyle and values and politics and intelligence...attractive! Of course, it helps that she's good looking and laughs at my jokes, but I have met lots of hot women that I didn't find attractive because of very basic incompatibilities.
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Wu Dang Mountain
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The Greeks had it right. They have 2 words for love: eros and agape, and they knew the two do not mix. Also, neither one of them is used in the sense of "I love burgers."
And what are their words for "weekly orgy" and "strong desire for little boys"?

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There is in fact evidence that romantic eros was seen as homosexual all over Greece. Sparta, even with its relatively free women, had homosexual relationships built into the structure of the training all young Spartan men received. In other Dorian areas also homosexuality was widely accepted. Thebes saw in the 4th century the creation of a battalion of homosexual lovers - the Sacred Band. In Crete we have evidence of ritualised abduction of younger by older men.
--Homosexual Eros in Greece
They were far from "right" - they stumbled the path just like we all still do.
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Old 05-03-2011, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Or pragma type of love?
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Old 05-03-2011, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Tucson
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How about philia?
That's friendship or liking/having affinity to something - not quite relevant here.
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Old 05-03-2011, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Tri-State Area
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No. This isn't "Please Teacher" (anime) where they fell in love after they were married. If they are not in love by the time they get married, they should not rely on the marriage to create the love between them. A good marriage will keep their love fresh throughout the marriage. By the way, watch "Please Teacher". It's an awesome anime and shows some of the problems a marriage have. In the end they agree that marriage is not perfect and there will be times where they hurt each other, but as long as they stick by eachother they'll be ok.
Sorry, that is just plain f 0 0 k ed up! They'll be times when they hurt each other? Sounds like a loving relationship. Divorce court is down the hall, first door on the left.
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