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View Poll Results: How do you feel about women being referred to as 'females'?
Not under any circumstances 5 7.35%
Depends on the context 15 22.06%
No problem with it 48 70.59%
Voters: 68. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-12-2012, 01:12 PM
 
Location: ATL with a side of Chicago
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Saving my place for this one.
I'm just waiting for it to get back to being about women insulted by being called "female"!
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Old 01-12-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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I'm just waiting for it to get back to being about women insulted by being called "female"!
I know!

Okay - I get the people that are irritated by "female" being used in a grammatically incorrect fashion - it's sort of like being annoyed by the misuse of "there" and "their." So, other than the grammar use, can anyone explain to me what is offensive about the term "female?" I've often stopped myself from talking about my "female friends" in posts and changed it to girlfriends because I know that some people find it offensive. But why?
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Old 01-12-2012, 01:19 PM
 
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I know!

Okay - I get the people that are irritated by "female" being used in a grammatically incorrect fashion - it's sort of like being annoyed by the misuse of "there" and "their." So, other than the grammar use, can anyone explain to me what is offensive about the term "female?" I've often stopped myself from talking about my "female friends" in posts and changed it to girlfriends because I know that some people find it offensive. But why?
But why is it grammatically incorrect?
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Old 01-12-2012, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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I know!

Okay - I get the people that are irritated by "female" being used in a grammatically incorrect fashion - it's sort of like being annoyed by the misuse of "there" and "their." So, other than the grammar use, can anyone explain to me what is offensive about the term "female?" I've often stopped myself from talking about my "female friends" in posts and changed it to girlfriends because I know that some people find it offensive. But why?
But in the case of "female friends" you're using the word as an adjective. Most people object to using "female" as a noun. because it sounds clinical or scientific.

From here: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com...us-female.aspx

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Merriam-Webster's goes on to say that the neutral use of Austen and Brontë has faded away and the most common use of the word female now as a noun is to refer to lower animals. For example, if you were studying apes, you could say something like, “The females formed a small group to defend against the attackers,” (6).

It's my recommendation that you use female as a noun only when you are speaking about animals or writing scientifically. When you are talking about female humans, the favored nouns are woman and women. Likewise, when you're talking about male humans, the favored nouns are man and men.
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Old 01-12-2012, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I know!

Okay - I get the people that are irritated by "female" being used in a grammatically incorrect fashion - it's sort of like being annoyed by the misuse of "there" and "their." So, other than the grammar use, can anyone explain to me what is offensive about the term "female?" I've often stopped myself from talking about my "female friends" in posts and changed it to girlfriends because I know that some people find it offensive. But why?
Well using Djuna's definition could be seen as a little bit offensive, when used out of context that is! Hahah

"female: designating or of the sex that bear offspring; having a hollow part for inserting an inserted part; a female, person, animal or plant."
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Old 01-12-2012, 01:40 PM
 
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But in the case of "female friends" you're using the word as an adjective. Most people object to using "female" as a noun. because it sounds clinical or scientific.

From here: Grammar Girl : Woman Versus Female :: Quick and Dirty Tips ™
Interesting.

Quoted from Merriam-Webster:

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2female

noun


1
a : a female person : a woman or a girl
b
: an individual that bears young or produces large usually immobile gametes (as eggs) that are fertilized by small usually motile gametes of a male

2
: a pistillate plant

So, "female" as a noun being applied to human individuals is grammatically correct but the term has taken on associations with "lower animals" (an ideological notion that I wholeheartedly disagree with, but that's beside the point), which makes "woman" a more culturally suitable word nowadays.
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Old 01-12-2012, 05:30 PM
 
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This is getting too deep for just a way to call a gender: girl, woman, female, dudette, gal, lass, etc.

I wonder if men would make a scene as well if they were called "male".
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Old 01-12-2012, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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This is getting too deep for just a way to call a gender: girl, woman, female, dudette, gal, lass, etc.

I wonder if men would make a scene as well if they were called "male".
No because men have no hang ups and are perfect.

For the record - I'd hardly classify the results of this poll as women making a scene.
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:15 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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But in the case of "female friends" you're using the word as an adjective. Most people object to using "female" as a noun. because it sounds clinical or scientific.

From here: Grammar Girl : Woman Versus Female :: Quick and Dirty Tips â„¢
It's not grammar these fem..., feminine persons are getting upset over, but it's because they believe that referring to females is objectifying them and equating them with animals. Why do they have such a problem with that? We ARE animals, not robots, so just deal with it. The minority who want to get offended, keep getting offended, but just be warned I won't hold my tongue because of some silly hang-up I feel is totally absurd.
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Old 01-12-2012, 07:17 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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This is getting too deep for just a way to call a gender: girl, woman, female, dudette, gal, lass, etc.

I wonder if men would make a scene as well if they were called "male".
We don't. But some of us are sick and tired of the male bashing that goes on. We're not all uncouth, hairy ape-man simpletons. I'm frankly so sick of that stupid stereotype perpetuated by Hollywood and the media. There are many screeching women who remind me more of chimps in heat, but I don't go on about that.
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