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Old 12-05-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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It seems women’s privates have more power as their privates can be used as a means of exchange, control, reward, etc. A man’s privates? Not really. Not saying all women use their privates like that but women they want to can do it.
In my opinion guys privates can be used as a means of control with gals as many rapists roam about and as a means of exchange, control, rewards with other guys as many gay guys I know are in such relationships. Perhaps guys would be able to use their privates as a means of exchange and reward with gals if the penis was more effective in inducing female orgasms rather than seemingly useless.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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In my opinion guys privates can be used as a means of control with gals as many rapists roam about
Rape is illegal and men will be thrown in jail for it. A woman controlling the relationship with her privates, using it as a means of exchange, using it as a reward, etc. won’t have her thrown in jail.

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Perhaps guys would be able to use their privates as a means of exchange and reward with gals if the penis was more effective in inducing female orgasms rather than seemingly useless.
Females not having orgasms is not always a guy’s fault but it is easier to blame it on a guy of course. It is pretty much supply and demand. Women can have sex pretty much as much and whenever they want. It’s like going to one of those big American places like Costco or Sam’s Club where they give out samples to try out snacks and one of those employees tells you “If you want a sample you will first have to sign on this dotted line and then…” you could simply walk away knowing you can find another table and get another sample with no hassle while you shop. Why? Because in a place like that you can snack away as much as you can in pretty much every aisle and as much as you want. Now, if you were in the middle of the dessert and you saw an Oasis with that very same person offering samples, you bet you would be signing on that dotted line and maybe even doing a back flip just to get some.

Orgasm or no orgasm, ifs and buts, women’s privates have more power than men’s for the reasons already mentioned.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:23 PM
 
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Rape is illegal and men will be thrown in jail for it. A woman controlling the relationship with her privates, using it as a means of exchange, using it as a reward, etc. won’t have her thrown in jail.
More like 'rape is illegal and men possibly can be thrown in jail for it' though none of that negates that guys can use it as a means of control with gals. A guy controlling the relationship with his privates using it as a means of excahnge, using it as a reward, etc with his male partner won't have him thrown in jail either...so it's a wash to me.

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Females not having orgasms is not always a guy’s fault but it is easier to blame it on a guy of course. It is pretty much supply and demand. Women can have sex pretty much as much and whenever they want. It’s like going to one of those big American places like Costco or Sam’s Club where they give out samples to try out snacks and one of those employees tells you “If you want a sample you will first have to sign on this dotted line and then…” you could simply walk away knowing you can find another table and get another sample with no hassle while you shop. Why? Because in a place like that you can snack away as much as you can in pretty much every aisle and as much as you want. Now, if you were in the middle of the dessert and you saw an Oasis with that very same person offering samples, you bet you would be signing on that dotted line and maybe even doing a back flip just to get some.

Orgasm or no orgasm, ifs and buts, women’s privates have more power than men’s for the reasons already mentioned.
Nowhere did I make any statements, suggestions, or implications blaming guys for a gal not having an orgasm. I 'blamed' the penis which is reasonable considering the 30% chance of orgasm and that is understandable considering sex is for procreation and only the male orgasm is needed for that.

Gals having sex whenever they want means little in my opinion when they're risking rape, twice more vulnerable to STDs than guys, are the ones who get pregnant, and most likely won't orgasm or get as much pleasure as him.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:31 PM
 
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A guy controlling the relationship with his privates using it as a means of excahnge, using it as a reward, etc with his male partner won't have him thrown in jail either...so it's a wash to me.
If we want to go into gays, lesbians, tranvesties, etc. we can do that in another thread. But when it comes to a man and a woman it is the woman who has the power in her privates. Women can use their privates as a means of exchange, to control, to manipulate, to get paid, to go up the ladder, as a reward, etc. Men just don’t have that same power.

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Gals having sex whenever they want means little in my opinion when they're risking rape, twice more vulnerable to STDs than guys, are the ones who get pregnant, and most likely won't orgasm or get as much pleasure as him.
Not get more pleasure than a guy? You as a woman have the capacity to have longer more intense orgasms than a man, capacity to have multiple orgasms (no refractory period needed as men do), a little organ who’s sole exclusive purpose is sexual pleasure and it has double/triple more nerve endings than a penis: the clitoris, and so on. From all your options available you can pick and choose pretty much who to have sex with whenever. You can’t go to jail for using your privates for the things already mentioned, a man trying to control with rape will. Women win, more power to ya’.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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If we want to go into gays, lesbians, tranvesties, etc. we can do that in another thread. But when it comes to a man and a woman it is the woman who has the power in her privates. Women can use their privates as a means of exchange, to control, to manipulate, to get paid, to go up the ladder, as a reward, etc. Men just don’t have that same power.
This thread was about the power of the privates and how gals hold power over guys while guys have no power with their privates which is false as guys can use their privates for control with gals and guys can use their privates for exchanges, rewards, control with guys. Seems you're the one making it strictly about heterosexuals to make woman vs man rather than do guys have power of privates like gals do.

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Not get more pleasure than a guy? You as a woman have the capacity to have longer more intense orgasms than a man, capacity to have multiple orgasms (no refractory period needed as men do), a little organ who’s sole exclusive purpose is sexual pleasure and it has double/triple more nerve endings than a penis: the clitoris, and so on. From all your options available you can pick and choose pretty much who to have sex with whenever. You can’t go to jail for using your privates for the things already mentioned, a man trying to control with rape will. Women win, more power to ya’.
Gals ability to have multiple orgasms means nothing in my opinion when most gals don't get one orgasm from sex.

On this jail bit again 'guys possibly can go to jail for rape' and 'gals possibly can go to jail for using sex as control' as denying sex is considered domestic and sexual abuse in some states.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:31 PM
 
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:36 PM
 
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This thread was about the power of the privates and how gals hold power over guys while guys have no power with their privates which is false as guys can use their privates for control with gals and guys can use their privates for exchanges, rewards, control with guys. Seems you're the one making it strictly about heterosexuals to make woman vs man rather than do guys have power of privates like gals do.
We can let gay, lesbians, transvestites, and other sorts of preferences and what not give their opinion about it but as for heterosexual relationships women have power in their privates, not men.

So men can use their privates with women to go up the ladder, use it as a means of exchange, to control, use it as a reward, etc.? Come on. Now, if we’re going to say that there may be cases out there where it happens, sure, exceptions do exist. But it is women who are known for using their privates for all those things and men falling for it regardless of women enjoying or not enjoying sex.

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On this jail bit again 'guys possibly can go to jail for rape' and 'gals possibly can go to jail for using sex as control' as denying sex is considered domestic and sexual abuse in some states.
Nope. A woman has control over her body and a woman is does not have to let her husband have sex with her if she just doesn’t want to. Remember that line women say when it comes to these topics “NO MEANS NO.” If that was really a law that was supported and all you bet lots of married women would be getting sued left and right already.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:48 PM
 
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We can let gay, lesbians, transvestites, and other sorts of preferences and what not give their opinion about it but as for heterosexual relationships women have power in their privates, not men.

So men can use their privates with women to go up the ladder, use it as a means of exchange, to control, use it as a reward, etc.? Come on. Now, if we’re going to say that there may be cases out there where it happens, sure, exceptions do exist. But it is women who are known for using their privates for all those things and men falling for it regardless of women enjoying or not enjoying sex.
This thread isn't limited to heterosexual relationships or man vs woman despite how it seems you're attempting to make it so. Nowhere did I make any statements, suggestions, or implying to what you're at. In fact I stated guys can use their privates as a means of control with gals and as means of exchange, control, reward, etc with guys.

Bit unsure why you seem to be stuck on making this strictly heterosexual or man vs woman though either way guys have power of privates and gals have power of privates. It may not be power a guy wants or sex a guy enjoys however it's a wash as likely the power gals have isn't wanted and the sex isn't enjoyed.

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Nope. A woman has control over her body and a woman is does not have to let her husband have sex with her if she just doesn’t want to. Remember that line women say when it comes to these topics “NO MEANS NO.” If that was really a law that was supported and all you bet lots of married women would be getting sued left and right already.
Yes in some states denying sex is considered domestic and sexual abuse so gals possibly can go to jail for using sex as control. Bit amusing that it seems you don't know this with all the lamenting you seem to do about gals 'withholding', 'using sex as a weapon', and so on and so forth.

For me clearly it's false that 'no means no' as many guys rape gals, many guys still persist after hearing no, and many guys think 'women don't know what they say'/'women don't know what they want'.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:22 PM
 
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This thread isn't limited to heterosexual relationships or man vs woman despite how it seems you're attempting to make it so
Didn’t see it from the start that it was implied to include other preferences and what not. Perhaps someone who is lesbian, gay, transvestite, or whatever preferences are out there can tell us how it works among them. But when it comes to men and women, men simply don’t have the upper hand when it comes to sex.

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In fact I stated guys can use their privates as a means of control with gals and as means of exchange, control, reward, etc with guys.
I am yet to hear men complain because they were “used” for sex or feeling dirty because they “gave sex” too early in the relationship. It is women who ask if they are being used for sex or not, if it’s too early to let the guy have sex or not. So you think women go out looking for men, take them out, and manipulate them into having sex? Men do not sell sex to women. Women are not known for spending money on men and even less for spending money on men in order to have sex. What is said to be the world’s oldest profession? Prostitution. When it comes to that, who gets paid for it? Women. You will probably say “But there are some male prostitutes out there and women who go paty them for sex” sure there are but nothing to the magnitude of women.

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It may not be power a guy wants or sex a guy enjoys however it's a wash as likely the power gals have isn't wanted and the sex isn't enjoyed.
Regardless of a woman enjoying sex or not, she can use her privates for reasons already stated. Quite not the same for guys.

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Yes in some states denying sex is considered domestic and sexual abuse so gals possibly can go to jail for using sex as control.
It is well known how divorce law is on the women’s side when it comes to sex, even more. Women say that her “no” shold be respected, no means no, and so on. This applies to marriage as well. If she’s another married woman who lost interest in sex and simply doesn’t feel like it she should not be forced to do it. If that law you mentioned was really exercised we would see married men all over the place suing their wife. Next time another guy complains about sexless marriage you can tell him he can sue his wife.

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Bit amusing that it seems you don't know this with all the lamenting you seem to do about gals 'withholding', 'using sex as a weapon', and so on and so forth.
It’s not a lament. Sex is not a priority in my life so it’s like meh.

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For me clearly it's false that 'no means no' as many guys rape gals, many guys still persist after hearing no, and many guys think 'women don't know what they say'/'women don't know what they want'.
Don’t think it is false as women can get away in court with it. Have a woman like Desiree Washington or whatever her name was go visit a man (Mike Tyson) to his hotel suite in the late hours of the night with a negligee, champagne, foreplay, etc. doesn’t matter what he said in court if she said no, things go in a woman’s favor, that simple. A woman’s word vs a man’s word in cases like that gets guys nowhere. So of course “no means no” is important.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:46 PM
 
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Didn’t see it from the start that it was implied to include other preferences and what not. Perhaps someone who is lesbian, gay, transvestite, or whatever preferences are out there can tell us how it works among them. But when it comes to men and women, men simply don’t have the upper hand when it comes to sex.
Possibly you didn't see it because it seems whenever it comes to sex and power you have a tendency to make it strictly about heterosexuals pitting it as men vs women.

Again to me it's a wash that guys don't have an upper hand when it comes to sex with gals as they still have an upper hand. So guys have an upper hand and gals have an upper hand it may not be one they want however they still have it.

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I am yet to hear men complain because they were “used” for sex or feeling dirty because they “gave sex” too early in the relationship. It is women who ask if they are being used for sex or not, if it’s too early to let the guy have sex or not. So you think women go out looking for men, take them out, and manipulate them into having sex? Men do not sell sex to women. Women are not known for spending money on men and even less for spending money on men in order to have sex. What is said to be the world’s oldest profession? Prostitution. When it comes to that, who gets paid for it? Women. You will probably say “But there are some male prostitutes out there and women who go paty them for sex” sure there are but nothing to the magnitude of women.
Amusing that it seems you're still responding as if I was talking about strictly heterosexuals and pitting it as men vs women when I stated this exchange, control, reward, etc guys have are with guys.

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Regardless of a woman enjoying sex or not, she can use her privates for reasons already stated. Quite not the same for guys.
The same can be said for guys regardless of a guy enjoying sex or not, he can use his privates for exchange, control, power, reward with guys.

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It is well known how divorce law is on the women’s side when it comes to sex, even more. Women say that her “no” shold be respected, no means no, and so on. This applies to marriage as well. If she’s another married woman who lost interest in sex and simply doesn’t feel like it she should not be forced to do it. If that law you mentioned was really exercised we would see married men all over the place suing their wife. Next time another guy complains about sexless marriage you can tell him he can sue his wife.
Nice evasion however divorce law being on gals side has no relevance to the fact that in some states it's considered domestic and sexual abuse to deny sex so a gal can possibly go to jail for using sex as control.

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It’s not a lament. Sex is not a priority in my life so it’s like meh.
It's a lament to me since you have multiple copy and paste posts on the topic.

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Don’t think it is false as women can get away in court with it. Have a woman like Desiree Washington or whatever her name was go visit a man (Mike Tyson) to his hotel suite in the late hours of the night with a negligee, champagne, foreplay, etc. doesn’t matter what he said in court if she said no, things go in a woman’s favor, that simple. A woman’s word vs a man’s word in cases like that gets guys nowhere. So of course “no means no” is important.
That gals went to court shows that it's false that 'no means no' since if it truly meant no than they wouldn't be in court.

Many cases aren't like Desiree Washington/Mike Tyson as considering studies show juries tend to have a bias against female rape victims generally with the view that she's lying (male juries) or the view that she deserved it (female juries).

'No means no' is important and nowhere did I state, suggest, or imply otherwise. I stated that it's false that 'no means no' as many guys rape gals, many guys still persist after hearing no, and many guys think 'women don't know what they say'/'women don't know what they want'.
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