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Old 02-02-2013, 07:12 AM
 
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What do you think. Most women claim to hate conceited, cocky guys, but then guys like these do seem to get dates. Can you overlook a guy who has a sense of superiority if he has other positive qualities?
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:20 AM
 
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What do you think. Most women claim to hate conceited, cocky guys, but then guys like these do seem to get dates. Can you overlook a guy who has a sense of superiority if he has other positive qualities?
Do you think that men like gold diggers and "sponsor seekers"? I think not. But guess what, such women are the most active in the dating market. Same goes with such guys that you describe and it's universal. In Bosnia such guys are one LARGE minority, like 1 out of 20. And you know they are the trashy types since elementary school, bad types in general... they just "train" so much because that's their merit of success, to sleep with as many women. Other guys usually focus on getting a job and get some logical things before they start dating. Since those "bad guys" happen to be 20 times more active in their approaches and stuff, they're very visible, yet everyone knows who they are. Same is with "sponsor seekers", they're just so much more active.

Shorter description - they have their fails, but they don't focus hard anyways, they just move to the next one much easier and they don't invest much money to keep their date. They are more "skilled" because of their activity so they know how to "adapt", and they don't "look for one to spend their life with" but for "one that will give them a pass", they simply look for someone to spend some time with. Generally it's not a good approach if you plan a serious relationship. You just don't look for a person who will give you a pass, but a person that YOU will give a pass as well, before you proceed. This is why "placing strong filters" on superficial things is bad, and why having your eyes wide open to see other things is very important when seeking for a date. Common advice that people get from home while they're still about to start seeking for a date, in a way.
I think this whole balance is way much "screwed up" In the USA, because of many factors - family structure, valuing system of society, etc. Number of "normal" folks is so much lower, so you get close to half folks who are "seeking a sponsor" or "seeking for another woman to sleep with".
I could spot it around myself and it's really stupid to bother much to shift it, it's literally next to impossible to filter them all out because they are the ones that will have all the attention and will be around so the other half of folks will rather AVOID the places where "dating" mostly starts for many people - ironically those places are night clubs, discos and bars in late hours. Quite much amplifying this degenerating trend.

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Old 02-02-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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There is a HUGE difference between confidence and cockiness.

Cockiness is confidence that is weighed down with contempt for others, and it ALWAYS makes itself known through language and actions.

Sure, cocky guys may get dates, but the only women they will keep will have emotional problems of their own.
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:40 AM
 
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There is a HUGE difference between confidence and cockiness.

Cockiness is confidence that is weighed down with contempt for others, and it ALWAYS makes itself known through language and actions.

Sure, cocky guys may get dates, but the only women they will keep will have emotional problems of their own.
This.

Is there a difference between smug and arrogant?
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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No one likes a Hot-dog. Only a fun talker or funny nice person .
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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Blind squirrels will find an acorn every now and then too, but it is by no means a benefit to finding acorns to be blind.

Same with conceited jerks. They get dates too, but being a conceited jerk doesn't really give anyone a leg up.
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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This.

Is there a difference between smug and arrogant?
Thing is that there are some things like "excitement, fun, coolness" and so on that are highly valued aside of other superficial things... and those are also very flat when you look on the long run. Any regular smug fails and becomes arrogant in the eyes of other people if he cannot camouflage himself well. Arrogant people don't need to be overconfident, they can be just direct and very insensitive when they speak, which is usually very repulsive to most people. Smug is generally overconfident person, given their true characteristics and achievements. If they cannot camouflage well, they will fail miserably and look arrogant in the eyes of other people.

People who are plain arrogant tend to display it openly and you'll notice their cockiness fast. It repulses you and that's it. However, people who are anything near "bad boy mentality" in the club will tend to have a very psychological approach - they know that out of 100 women there are only a pack few that get all the attention (and dates), it's because guys make first moves and like always people tend to give their first attempt with select few... or they simply won't make a move. Smugs are rather hitting on all women, and they get most of their passes on women who usually have one or two approaches in a whole year. That's MAJORITY of women, regardless of what you think.

Women who spend months hoping to attract someone's attention and nobody approaching them.. they'll overlook their standards (even if an average guy would pass them, no six figure earning or such things at all) and are very likely to give you a chance. That's a great place for anyone to give it a try, including a random fool who wants to have fun. Those women will figure it out sooner or later (only a few never will and will be that desperate to tolerate it), but this guy will move on easily anyways... probably even before they figure it out. It's the number that counts for them and that's all. Any woman counts there... except for notoriously ugly ones, usually a "select few" out of a 100,000 population.

A smart smug has numerous successes and fails due to their activity, it will help them to KNOW what a woman wants to hear and see... and so they camouflage themselves well. They see through woman's expectations (shallowness or serious approach, regardless, they'll read her mind), they'll see through their fears as well, and use it to their favor. Their overconfidence will get them a date even if they're jobless, and they'll get laid by various tricks. Most folks don't want to even date when they're jobless, and many women do place a requirement there, so you go figure out if they are overconfident or not.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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Lots of women detest cocky guys but lots of women go for them too so it's not the worst thing a guy can be by far. I know cocky arrogant guys who always have hot girls after them. Maybe they see it as a challenge and think they can bust through that smugness?

Besides, most guys that are cocky have learned to be that way because they are good looking, rich, or charming.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:33 AM
 
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An arrogant or smug guy gets 100 times booty that a guy who is too nice, shy or timid would. THats real world observation type of stuff. Is it attractive to women? probably not, but who cares when those panties are flying off 15 minutes after you met her? womans actions is what counts, not her words.
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Old 02-02-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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Blind squirrels will find an acorn every now and then too, but it is by no means a benefit to finding acorns to be blind.

Same with conceited jerks. They get dates too, but being a conceited jerk doesn't really give anyone a leg up.
. Maybe not, but it can be useful in getting both her legs up.
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