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Consider yourself lucky that healthy food is cheap where you live! Produce is expensive where I live and the quality isn't usually great. We have few stores to choose from. I have started saving a lot of money with a co-op. We try to grow our own stuff, but the climate and the wild animals can make that difficult. I only feed two people, generally more whole foods than processed, and it is expensive.
I live in Los Angeles. Food is not cheaper here by any means than in other parts of the country, in fact it's generally more. You just need to know what to look for.
The quality of our produce here is generally wonderful and I do buy and eat fresh wherever I can. My Mexican experiment was more to do the math myself and taste the results (filling or not, etc.) than for a standard veggie meal at my house. I am very lucky that I can eat fresh most of the time. But I was also able to do it, albeit not quite as fresh (but still a whole lot fresher and less refined than pasta), for less than half a dollar per serving.
By the way, if I had eaten the beans from dried (my favored method for sure, I usually simmer them all day for that) it would have been even less than that.
Again, if you're comparing to bleached, refined wheat, the "sodium" is equal or less for the healthier alternative, the processing is FAR less (I have never eaten de-husked, crushed, powdered, bleached and reconstituted mushrooms) and the nutrients are still FAR more.
Goodie! Those other crappy foods are even worse than the crappy foods that you highlighted as healthy! Nice for them.
That's a good point. I did Ramon for a while, too, when I was really poor. But, I didn't use the mixes that came with them because they always had some meat product. I used a little olive oil and pepper. Still unhealthy lol.
When we were watching our grocery budget more carefully (we ate every day, so we were never really poor), I was a SAHM. The time/money balance was not as hard.
Goodie! Those other crappy foods are even worse than the crappy foods that you highlighted as healthy! Nice for them.
Okay, so canned beans and canned mushrooms are "crappy foods" and therefore, the poor should not eat them and should eat the even crappier foods instead?
You're insisting there are no alternatives to eating boxed/drive-through foods for the poor, I'm showing directly that there are...without the fat, with much lower sodium, with much higher fiber, with no high fructose corn syrup, with no MSG and with much higher protein and with vitamins and minerals and WITH LESS EFFORT.
This is your answer? A "ha-ha, no, it's all crap so to heck with trying" sort of answer?
No wonder people stay fat. (And very, very, very sick.)
I live in Los Angeles. Food is not cheaper here by any means than in other parts of the country, in fact it's generally more. You just need to know what to look for.
The quality of our produce here is generally wonderful and I do buy and eat fresh wherever I can. My Mexican experiment was more to do the math myself and taste the results (filling or not, etc.) than for a standard veggie meal at my house. I am very lucky that I can eat fresh most of the time. But I was also able to do it, albeit not quite as fresh (but still a whole lot fresher and less refined than pasta), for less than half a dollar per serving.
Cost aside, you still have access to a wider variety of higher quality fresh food. Please don't try to deny that! LOL Of course deals can be found and you have to know what to look for, but it is far from cheap for us to eat healthy, fresh food. I won't compare it to living on processed food and junk because I don't really know what that stuff costs these days. However, you don't generally find coupons for produce.
Salaries are also pretty low where I live but the cost of living is not in line with that. People have to make sacrifices on a limited budget.
When we were watching our grocery budget more carefully (we ate every day, so we were never really poor), I was a SAHM. The time/money balance was not as hard.
I've been soup kitchen poor. That's where it gets very difficult to eat vegetarian. Anyhow, if you can be home to manage it that's key. But, ultimately it's a cultural thing. As you noted, in poor neighborhoods there is limited access to healthy food. Some neighborhoods don't have grocery stores. And then how we're raised, as it pertains to food, comes into play. There are a lot of variables at work.
Okay, so canned beans and canned mushrooms are "crappy foods" and therefore, the poor should not eat them and should eat the even crappier foods instead?
Really?
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You're insisting there are no alternatives to eating boxed/drive-through foods for the poor, I
No I am not actually. I am saying that punitive insurance pricing based on obesity is a bad idea until we work out a decent public food policy. I have said that several times. I am not sure why you have decided to attribute other motives to me. If you were to graph health benefits against cost, you would see a rise in cost directly proportional to how good it is for you. You claim that that is a myth because you can eat some stuff that is not quite as crappy as the crappiest. While your claim may be true, it is not worth much.
Cost aside, you still have access to a wider variety of higher quality fresh food. Please don't try to deny that! LOL Of course deals can be found and you have to know what to look for, but it is far from cheap for us to eat healthy, fresh food. I won't compare it to living on processed food and junk because I don't really know what that stuff costs these days. However, you don't generally find coupons for produce.
Salaries are also pretty low where I live but the cost of living is not in line with that. People have to make sacrifices on a limited budget.
Oh I don't, as I said above, I buy fresh (and delicious!) whenever I can and I am very lucky to do so.
I definitely am not denying that. I feel very lucky.
But I also feel lucky to have been able to educate myself on all this.
No I am not actually. I am saying that punitive insurance pricing based on obesity is a bad idea until we work out a decent public food policy. I have said that several times. I am not sure why you have decided to attribute other motives to me. If you were to graph health benefits against cost, you would see a rise in cost directly proportional to how good it is for you. You claim that that is a myth because you can eat some stuff that is not quite as crappy as the crappiest. While your claim may be true, it is not worth much.
Um, well, that's weird since I never said insurance premiums should be higher based on food choices, and in fact I directly said they should not be (please read).
As for the last sentence: higher protein, much lower (even none, in some cases) fat, naturall-occuring fiber, VERY cheap cost, extreme ease of preparation, extremely easy access, less obesity and less disease, higher vitamin and mineral content are "not worth much"?
Again, no wonder this nation is fat and ill. God it's sad.
I don't "claim" it as a myth, I directly did the math.
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But, I didn't use the mixes that came with them because they always had some meat product. I used a little olive oil and pepper. Still unhealthy lol.
God it's sad.
