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Women have it hard too, they run the risks of being fat and unattractive. I disagree with the behavior some women love to practice. You see this standoffish behavior at nightclubs. They use their sexuality as a weapon. It's competitive, what do you expect when you have 15 drunk dudes groping you. You havent had this kind of attention all week long, and now it just fun. Natural selection dudes. That's the beauty of being a man. You have to learn to be awesome, and once you do become awesome, you realize that this **** is all for a reason. And that's so the living doesn't turn retarded, sick, and lack confidence. It's to progress, its to evolve into something greater then we are now.
To the men that are talking OP down, you too are losers. Not all of you, but to the ones that have typical answers. Because if you were truly abundant with women, if you truly had your sex lives under control, you would understand what he is really taking about. Proud to be apart of the top 10% and I enjoy going out and meeting girls, being rejected as an experience to reach the top 2% of that, so that when I go out, I could make the ***** soak and have my choice of the girl that I like most.
I don't think fat women and unattractive women have it hard. IF anything Fat women and unattractive women are probably on par with average men. Depending on what region of the country your in, a fat woman will have a hard time lets say in Socal, Denver or South Beach Florida, but still can find a man in a place like NYC, Philly or in the South. Unattractive women will have a blast in the Midwest, NYC, New England North West San Francisco, no shortage of men their who are lined up to hit the back door. But will have a horrible time in places like Socal, Florida, Las Vegas, AZ Parts of Texas and other parts of the American sunbelt! Women have it hard for other reasons like for example getting sick, risk of pregnancy, excessive spending which causes debt, especially in this day in age due to the fact that marriage does not hold importance as it once did.
1) Any above-average woman (i.e. a woman in the top 50%) gets loads of attention from men, while a man has to be in the top 2-3% to get any attention from women.
2) What makes 1) worse is that men are supposed to have confidence and self-esteem. The 97-98% of men who don't get attention from women have to conjure false confidence out of thin air. On the other hand, any above-average woman gets tons of confidence-building attention and validation.
3) Women want a man who makes at least as much money as them, and strongly prefer rich men, while men will date women of any income bracket.
4) Women obviously care about looks, and there's a strong argument that they care about looks more than men do. The problem for men is that the 2 things that significantly detract from our looks -- being short or bald -- are things that are outside our control. The things that detract from a woman's looks are being overweight or having no rack; remedies exist for both those problems. Moreover, women have a more narrow and uncompromising set of physical preferences than men. That's why, if you read women's romance novels, every guy is described the exact same (as someone no this forum once mentioned).
5) Men are supposed to be the entertainers on dates; women are the entertainees. It's always more difficult to be the entertainer.
#1, 2, 3 are more or less accurate
#4, 5, are not
women generally have it easier to find someone for a non-committed relationship, but women also have more to risk in a non-committed relationship.
1) Any above-average woman (i.e. a woman in the top 50%) gets loads of attention from men, while a man has to be in the top 2-3% to get any attention from women.
2) What makes 1) worse is that men are supposed to have confidence and self-esteem. The 97-98% of men who don't get attention from women have to conjure false confidence out of thin air. On the other hand, any above-average woman gets tons of confidence-building attention and validation.
3) Women want a man who makes at least as much money as them, and strongly prefer rich men, while men will date women of any income bracket.
4) Women obviously care about looks, and there's a strong argument that they care about looks more than men do. The problem for men is that the 2 things that significantly detract from our looks -- being short or bald -- are things that are outside our control. The things that detract from a woman's looks are being overweight or having no rack; remedies exist for both those problems. Moreover, women have a more narrow and uncompromising set of physical preferences than men. That's why, if you read women's romance novels, every guy is described the exact same (as someone no this forum once mentioned).
5) Men are supposed to be the entertainers on dates; women are the entertainees. It's always more difficult to be the entertainer.
Yup. That pretty much covers it. So sad for the 97-98% percent of the male population who are doomed to live alone.
The men who say women have it easier In dating and women have it harder are almost always in their late teen-Early to mid 20's
The women who say this isn't true are almost always over 30
Yep. I haven't been approached for a date in over 3 years (either IRL or through several attempts at OLD; well, at least not by anyone who actually wanted to go out with me) and I'm not exactly sitting around the house eating bon-bons and crying about it. This evening is the only night this week I don't have plans and that's by choice.
Based on the OP's post, I'm either in the bottom 50% or I'm really a man.
1) Any above-average woman (i.e. a woman in the top 50%) gets loads of attention from men, while a man has to be in the top 2-3% to get any attention from women.
2) What makes 1) worse is that men are supposed to have confidence and self-esteem. The 97-98% of men who don't get attention from women have to conjure false confidence out of thin air. On the other hand, any above-average woman gets tons of confidence-building attention and validation.
3) Women want a man who makes at least as much money as them, and strongly prefer rich men, while men will date women of any income bracket.
4) Women obviously care about looks, and there's a strong argument that they care about looks more than men do. The problem for men is that the 2 things that significantly detract from our looks -- being short or bald -- are things that are outside our control. The things that detract from a woman's looks are being overweight or having no rack; remedies exist for both those problems. Moreover, women have a more narrow and uncompromising set of physical preferences than men. That's why, if you read women's romance novels, every guy is described the exact same (as someone no this forum once mentioned).
5) Men are supposed to be the entertainers on dates; women are the entertainees. It's always more difficult to be the entertainer.
1) This is false. Plenty of men not in the top 2-3% (whatever that means) get attention from women. Some even date, have sex with, and marry them, too. I know, it's hard to believe.
2) I will grant that men have been way oversold on the whole "confidence" thing. Yes, confidence is a fine thing to have. But being confident is only an advantage if you have a lot else already working on your favor--e.g. you are good looking, witty, funny, etc. If you are unattractive, dull-witted and boring, yet have lost of confidence, women will just find you obnoxious.
3) This is false. BOTH men and women strongly prefer people who are at least their economic equals. No one, male or female, wants to fully support another person.
4) This is just isn't true. Although both men and women benefit from being attractive, women are much more likely to be valued solely for their looks. If you are an unattractive man, women may not want to date you, but they will at least treat you decently most of the time. However, many men go out of their way to be cruel and abusive towards women they find unattractive. It is like the existence of unattractive women is offensive to some men.
5) Not so. Both people lead with their best on dates.
I don't think it's much "harder" for a guy dating. I get dates easily. I broke up with my gf last week and am already going out with 2 other girls.
However, it is a much bigger pain in the ass for guys to date. Women don't realize how much of a pain they can be. Luckily I don't care about how a date goes, I do my best to have a great time without breaking my back. If they don't like it they can go, however to so many other guys out there, they try really hard to make the women too happy and that is why threads like this start.
Bingo!
Men who see women for who/what they are (versus what they wish them to be); and who can be a gentleman without compromising his own needs (and swiftly drop any woman who attempts to make him do so), have no shortage of women.
It is, as burgler09 wrote, "nice guys" who bend over backwards for women that lose -- as opposed to us "a$$holes" (as my GF occasionally refers to me) who stand our ground and hold fast to our social and personal values, who seem to always win big.
Men who see women for who/what they are (versus what they wish them to be); and who can be a gentleman without compromising his own needs (and swiftly drop any woman who attempts to make him do so), have no shortage of women.
It is, as burgler09 wrote, "nice guys" who bend over backwards for women that lose -- as opposed to us "a$$holes" (as my GF occasionally refers to me) who stand our ground and hold fast to our social and personal values, who seem to always win big.
I am a very nice gentlemen to nice ladies who respect that men are different but not inferior. I stand for what I believe while not asking fair minded women to compromise their values or opinion. If I am uncomfortable with those, I have no problem parting in a friendly way.
1) Any above-average woman (i.e. a woman in the top 50%) gets loads of attention from men, while a man has to be in the top 2-3% to get any attention from women.
2) What makes 1) worse is that men are supposed to have confidence and self-esteem. The 97-98% of men who don't get attention from women have to conjure false confidence out of thin air. On the other hand, any above-average woman gets tons of confidence-building attention and validation.
3) Women want a man who makes at least as much money as them, and strongly prefer rich men, while men will date women of any income bracket.
4) Women obviously care about looks, and there's a strong argument that they care about looks more than men do. The problem for men is that the 2 things that significantly detract from our looks -- being short or bald -- are things that are outside our control. The things that detract from a woman's looks are being overweight or having no rack; remedies exist for both those problems. Moreover, women have a more narrow and uncompromising set of physical preferences than men. That's why, if you read women's romance novels, every guy is described the exact same (as someone no this forum once mentioned).
5) Men are supposed to be the entertainers on dates; women are the entertainees. It's always more difficult to be the entertainer.
Guys do the majority of the asking.
This in itself makes it exponentially more difficult for men in the dating world. Guys deal with rejection a helluva lot more than women, even moreso if you fall short(no pun intended)of the universal qualities of good looks and attractiveness in western culture by her ideals.
#1 You gotta be X amount of inches tall, #2 you have to have X amount of good looks, #3 she has to be shorter than you in her 4 or 5 inch heels, #4 your friends have to be good-looking also, #5 your worth as guy is graded on her feeling feminine and protected at the same time.
Who has it easier to get dates? Not LTR, not marriage, simply dates? Its women easily
IMO the only reason this is even a "debate" is because most women either confuse dating with LTR relationships or completely disragard the dating process if it doesn't end up with their perfect man. This is where ideas like "well I've been on 12 dates this year,slept with 4 of those guys, but I'm totally on the same level as a guy who hasn't been on one or had a woman interested in him in years because heh we both aren't in a relationship right?" Exist
Um... No
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