What do women really have to give a man ? (wives, kids, sex)
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... I visit more than one website that covers people all over the world. ... Time after time I read women saying what they want in a man. ... ( many wants and desires ) ... But I don't read anything that a woman says that she has to give to a man ... That may be why they don't have a man ... they don't think or consider it. ... They sound like they only care about their wants. ...
What do women really have to give a man. ... Maybe even your thoughts ... Keep it clean.
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You have mentioned one of my biggest complaints and you state it accurately. The lists must be authored by the women. We must drive it home that when women ruminate on their own needs by republishing these lists endlessly in various formats all over the web, their expression of these needs improperly come across as failures of the men. This problem can only be made clear to women by insisting that women author lists that make them ruminate not on the needs of themselves but on the needs of others. Men, for example. Like you, I traverse many websites. Over the years, I have read list after list of what is expected of real men or true gentlemen, and these lists are verbose and quite specific. Literary, in fact. A lot of thought and preparation went into composing them. Yet, I don't encounter similar lists from these authors of what the man can expect from these women. Instead, I read short phrases like, well, "she will give back to him triple fold". What is in her mind that makes her say that, yet she cannot be bothered to spell it out in an article? Does she not want harmony and success in this? I don’t think it is intellectually fair to write detailed specifics of what the man is supposed to do, while only offering non-specifics in return. If I can see that imbalance, so can other men. It would really go a long way for any author who writes these lists, man or woman, to have instead written a "blended" list, showing what each sex should give to the other, detailed point by detailed point, in the same list. Then, we might get somewhere new in discussion. For now, however, I’ll just be glad to see in the online culture a detailed list from ANY woman, detailing what a woman should give to the man, and detailed with the same depth of contemplation that went into the lists of what a real man or true gentleman is supposed to give. You just don’t see those lists.
I have read the individual lists offered in this thread as responses here. While they are nice, they are not solving the major inequity that you and I describe. I'm talking about seeing these type of detailed lists online, in the blogs, and as the topics of articles in the major and popular websites. You know, in the same venues as the lists that we currently see. Ideally, these lists need to originate from the same authors who produce the lists we see today. That is the best way to evaluate the intentions of the author.
Women think a lot about these things. A lot. Someone mentioned that it is easier to know what one is missing than what one has to offer. If the lists of what women can offer to the men are missing online because women are unequipped to put their well-known sensitivities to use to write such lists, then that is what needs to be identified and made loudly public, so the popular and never-ending barrage of lists of what men need to do can have removed from them some of their needless connotations, such as importance, applicability, and justness.
Thank you.
Last edited by sylvianfisher; 10-06-2015 at 03:47 PM..
You have mentioned one of my biggest complaints and you state it accurately. The lists must be authored by the women. We must drive it home that when women ruminate on their own needs by republishing these lists endlessly in various formats all over the web, their expression of these needs improperly come across as failures of the men. This problem can only be made clear to women by insisting that women author lists that make them ruminate not on the needs of themselves but on the needs of others. Men, for example. Like you, I traverse many websites. Over the years, I have read list after list of what is expected of real men or true gentlemen, and these lists are verbose and quite specific. Literary, in fact. A lot of thought and preparation went into composing them. Yet, I don't encounter similar lists from these authors of what the man can expect from these women. Instead, I read short phrases like, well, "she will give back to him triple fold". What is in her mind that makes her say that, yet she cannot be bothered to spell it out in an article? Does she not want harmony and success in this? I don’t think it is intellectually fair to write detailed specifics of what the man is supposed to do, while only offering non-specifics in return. If I can see that imbalance, so can other men. It would really go a long way for any author who writes these lists, man or woman, to have instead written a "blended" list, showing what each sex should give to the other, detailed point by detailed point, in the same list. Then, we might get somewhere new in discussion. For now, however, I’ll just be glad to see in the online culture a detailed list from ANY woman, detailing what a woman should give to the man, and detailed with the same depth of contemplation that went into the lists of what a real man or true gentleman is supposed to give. You just don’t see those lists.
I have read the individual lists offered in this thread as responses here. While they are nice, they are not solving the major inequity that you and I describe. I'm talking about seeing these type of detailed lists online, in the blogs, and as the topics of articles in the major and popular websites. You know, in the same venues as the lists that we currently see. Ideally, these lists need to originate from the same authors who produce the lists we see today. That is the best way to evaluate the intentions of the author.
Women think a lot about these things. A lot. Someone mentioned that it is easier to know what one is missing than what one has to offer. If the lists of what women can offer to the men are missing online because women are unequipped to put their well-known sensitivities to use to write such lists, then that is what needs to be identified and made loudly public, so the popular and never-ending barrage of lists of what men need to do can have removed from them some of their needless connotations, such as importance, applicability, and justness.
Thank you.
Nicely said. Don't see why you would get hate and insults over this. Good points. I can agree with the detailed lists of things women want, expect, or demand men to do for them. That's fine. What I also wonder is why these people don't talk in the same detail about what they can offer to men, what men want, and so on. Someone started a thread about this and it was seen as a misogynist thread, go figure.
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... I visit more than one website that covers people all over the world. ... Time after time I read women saying what they want in a man. ... ( many wants and desires ) ... But I don't read anything that a woman says that she has to give to a man ... That may be why they don't have a man ... they don't think or consider it. ... They sound like they only care about their wants. ...
What do women really have to give a man. ... Maybe even your thoughts ... Keep it clean.
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a good woman is a treasure chest of wonderful things and feelings. women give men companionship, love, stability, and something to look forward to daily.
when you find that treasure, treat her right, make sure that she knows how you feel about her everyday. charlie pride sang it best;
I agree too, if I were to be asked what I bring to a relationship, I'd be hard pressed like you said for something extraordinary, to stick out as being better than the next guy.
I could manage to list a few things about my life status but they wouldn't be my specific personality traits...
People come on this forum and start some of the most asinine threads imaginable to me, you pull up the relationships forum page and the whole first page you scan through and some of the titles of threads are just completely silly, I think to myself who thinks like this in real life, just complete buffoonery at times, and yet like Pavlov sounding his bell, here I am again to feed on the ridiculous.
Me, three. It's like you are reading my mind.
I've never thought in terms of lists - either for what I look for or what I have to offer. I just met people and took it from there. If we clicked - we clicked. If we didn't, we didn't. I never thought about what anyone had to offer.
Regular sex
More consistent companionship than a guy's regular male friends. Also, a different sort of companionship
Help running a household
More social opportunities (single men are social pariahs to most established couples)
Help with his career (men in quality established relationships tend to be more focused at work when their home needs are taken care of)
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... I visit more than one website that covers people all over the world. ... Time after time I read women saying what they want in a man. ... ( many wants and desires ) ... But I don't read anything that a woman says that she has to give to a man ... That may be why they don't have a man ... they don't think or consider it. ... They sound like they only care about their wants. ...
What do women really have to give a man. ... Maybe even your thoughts ... Keep it clean.
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The answer to your question lies in what has become expected of women today...and the answer for the modern woman is - nothing...today's women have slowly removed from society, and more importantly from the minds of men, any expectations that can reasonably be had of them under the guise of being conveniently "offended" if anyone ever suggests that a woman also meet a man's expectations beyond just her being alive while having a vagina.
To the modern feminism infected woman, a man having expectations of any woman whatsoever to her reads: a woman being obligated and subjugated to the whims of an evil overarching patriarchy by those big bad men...Now you had BETTER fullfill the expectations of YOUR traditional role as a man...but boy, you start even acting like you, as a man, are entitled to your own expectations and standards of her based on her traditional role as a woman in the relationship, and you wanna talk about the crocodile tears flowing and feminists fossils coming out the woodwork declaring that a woman doesn't owe you anything in a relationship...lol..you'd just better thank your lucky stars she was kindhearted enough to take pity and even enter into a relation ship with your flawed and oppressive ass at all out of sheer charity.
You can see this theme of lopsided expectations in advertisements for everything from cars to sexual dysfunction medications...if you notice, Viagra & Cialis commercials are always marketed to men using beautiful women speaking directly to men by appealing to their ego, and the expectation that he should want to do whatever it takes to please whatever woman he's with; because of course that's what this beautiful woman would want if she were with you. Contrast that to any commercial for female sexual dysfunction medications such as Estrace to prevent dry painful sex for women, and you'll notice that there is no mention whatsoever of the male's sexual experience benefiting from her fixing her problem...they won't mention male satisfaction when they market the new female sexual dysfunction drug (Addyi or whatever) either ..because women aren't expected to base any of the decisions they make on what might please a man..its considered offensive to even suggest it really..any suggestions in ads that she treat her problem will be solely and completely about her pleasure only, if she chooses to address her sexual dysfunction...whereas ads for sexual dysfunction in men very clearly convey that if he doesn't take Viagra or if he doesn't do what it takes to fix his sexual inadequacies he will be failing in his duty as a man to please his woman; which, while true, the reverse is never conveyed in advertisements about female sexual dysfunction.
Feminists intended for it to be this way though. They've managed to remove any meaningful standard to which women could be held under the auspices that a woman can do anything she wants today as a strong, independent, modern working women who can also passively and collectively insist you pay for their dinner if you expect to date women at all, HAVE THE ABILITY to be the provider, and passively watch you as a male get fleeced in family court to help support her independence. Now you as a modern man even act like you want to be a stay at home dad living on her income, or expect her to buy you a ring and grovel on one knee for your hand in marriage and see how far that gets you in the dating world...but these are just a few of the expectations that women have conveniently left in place for men, and if there is any objection to it, or insistence on equality in that arena, they'll drag out the old "if you don't like it, don't date women" drivel...now they don't say that when they're whining to each other about that fake wage gap...they don't tell their girlfriends: "well if you don't like it, don't work"...lol..something tells me, once again, they expect actual equality rather than bowing out of the workforce.
Last edited by soletaire; 10-06-2015 at 08:52 PM..
The answer to your question lies in what has become expected of women today...and the answer for the modern woman is - nothing...today's women have slowly removed from society, and more importantly from the minds of men, any expectations that can reasonably be had of them under the guise of being conveniently "offended" if anyone ever suggests that a woman also meet a man's expectations beyond just her just being alive while having a vagina.
A lot on the spot but a bit TL;DR, so I'll snip it short for the sake of brevity; but that attitude manifests itself here a lot. I'll be damned if you're a guy who does things differently and the women here take it so personally. Date a foreign woman? All hell breaks loose. Want to date a woman who desires you but is more than three days younger than you? All hells breaks loose, despite women being strong and empowered to make their own decisions. That's right, in an egalitarian society, women are treated like children--mainly by other women. Want to date a younger woman because she wants a large family as well? You guessed it--the 40-somethings go on their crusade.
I'm all about equality and I'll hold them to their own standard. Unfortunately, the male thirst is real and most won't. Fair enough, not my problem as there are plenty of swell women on this planet.
The cool thing is that I won't meet anyone on this site in person, so it's none of their biz and their opinion doesn't matter in the long run.
One boyfriend i had cheated on me. Do i think all men are cheaters? hell no
I had one boyfriend who battled deprression. Do i think all men are deppressive? No way
One of my guys was selfish. Does that make me feel that my current boyfriend, whose kind and generosity makes him the nicest, big hearted person i ever met, is faking it? Certainly not
City data seems to be full of angry bitter losers who hate women. Do i think most men in real life hate woman and are angry losers? hell no! The love men can have for women is something AMAZING.
I know from my own expierence of loving that women can love through all and give an unlimited amount of love. But i never felt it towards me, at least not in a romantic way, i never felt the love of a WOMAN in a romantic way towards me, but i did feel the love of MEN. Several times. Four times to be exact, in where i love them back. And let me tell you, the love they give is INCREDIBLE, men are certainly capable of loving, are certainly sensible, sweet, and capable of showing unlimited love.
Thats why when i see or read a girl saying "oh well, i take what it have, he is a man after all" i tell them: NO! No! dont settle for less! The fact that he is a man doesnt mean he is uncapable of loving and that you have to settle with what you can find, because all men are cheaters or whatever!. NO! You can aspire to have a guy that loves and admires and commit with you because MEN LOVE THAT, the same as we women do. Men also want a lifetime partner. Men also want to feel loved. Men also want to give love.
The ease with which you appear to jump in and out of relationships underlines the fact that you simply do not know what it's like to be a man.
Men actually have to put in a significant amount of work to get these results.
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