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Old 01-20-2010, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Sorry but most women can support themselves these days and don't need to be taken care of financially. If you only date women who don't work so that you can feel like a man taking care of them, I think the word for that is codependent.
One of the many ways the human relationship has gone downhill. Seems there are a lot of broken families too.

You've come a long way, baby!
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Old 01-20-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: in the good ol' South
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One of the many ways the human relationship has gone downhill. Seems there are a lot of broken families too.

You've come a long way, baby!
How has a woman's being able to be financially self sufficient caused human relationships to go downhill, and created broken families? I find that remark rather offensive.

There are MANY women, all over the world, who suffer abuse from their husbands, yet stay with them, b/c they can't afford to leave. No one, man nor woman, should HAVE to stay in any relationship, b/c they don't have the financial wherewithall to leave. Finally, women are able to support themselves, and don't HAVE to put up with anything they don't want to anymore. And THAT, is what makes a marriage/relationship more balanced.

If a man knows that his wife won't turn a blind eye to his cheating, his abuse, whatever, b/c she can get up and walk out the door and take care of herself, maybe he will respect her a little more, and not take advantage of her, and have an equal partner instead of someone who he can lord over.
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Old 01-21-2010, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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The nuclear family was destroyed when women went to work.

A man who knows his responsibilities, and abides by them should not be marginalized like that. Once you remove his contribution, what use is he?

Nowadays, women have this attitude of "I don't NEED a man."...and then wonder why they don't HAVE one. If you have that viewpoint, I'm going to take it at face value, I'm not going to try to change your mind. You don't NEED me, so why should I stick around? What purpose do I serve?

My role in a relationship is to support her, through my work. If she also works, then what would she need me for--or even want me around for? Then, you have children who don't have ANY parent to turn to, because they're off working for a living.

Also, when women entered the workforce, it diluted the price of labor, the supply of laborers went up, and the price they could command went down.
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:07 AM
 
Location: in the good ol' South
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Maybe the nuclear family was destroyed, b/c women HAD to work, b/c they were burdened by men who were NOT taking care of them, either financially, emotionally, whatever.

I chose to pursue a career, b/c I NEVER wanted to have to be in a position to HAVE to get married, to HAVE to rely on any man, should he die, cheat on me, abuse me, whatever. Not all marriages are good ones. And not all women get married. But EVERYONE needs to have money to survive. Unless you're Grizzly Adams, of course.

Btw, what do I "need" in a man? I can tell you - love, respect, a partner to enjoy life with, to have children with, to be a good role model for them, and yes, to financially provide for us and them too. Altho I could outearn my dh, we have opted to have me stay home with the kids while they are small, and that works for us.

But I don't "need" him just for his pocketbook. Why do you think that a man's only contribution is what he can financially provide his family? There is sooooooo much more that my dh gives to us, that I value more, than his paycheck.
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Not all marriages are "bad" either. Yet if a man's doing what he's supposed to be doing, and not doing what he's NOT supposed to be doing--that won't necessarily the woman will be happy.

Women cheat too.
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:29 AM
 
Location: in the good ol' South
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Of course. It goes both ways. Women can be bad wives too, just as men can be bad husbands. But, for men, they could walk away knowing they could take care of themselves, whereas women couldn't (if they are financially dependant). That is the difference.
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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And those women, in the past, were able to rely on their families. Or go on welfare, which I have no problem with.
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:39 AM
 
Location: in the good ol' South
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Ok, so a man abuses his wife/kids, she has to leave....she is left with a bunch of little kids, no way to pay the bills, either has to move back with her family or live on welfare....that sounds like a BETTER option than her being able to go out and get a job to support herself and her kids?????? Wow.

Btw, how would you feel if the situation were reversed? You'd rather have a bunch of little kids that you have to support, without the means to do so, than to be able to get a job?
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Old 01-21-2010, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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At least she would be HOME with her kids, being a parent to them.

Me--I don't want kids to begin with. So I can't see the situation happening. But if for some reason I was alone and had kids to take care of, I'd have them all put up for adoption and placed in foster care--so that they could have TWO parents. One to work, and one to care for them.
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Old 01-21-2010, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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At least she would be HOME with her kids, being a parent to them.

Me--I don't want kids to begin with. So I can't see the situation happening. But if for some reason I was alone and had kids to take care of, I'd have them all put up for adoption and placed in foster care--so that they could have TWO parents. One to work, and one to care for them.
You did not just say this

I am speechless...
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