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I have heard more then once from Christians that they believe in Jesus because if they are wrong then they don't have anything to lose if they are wrong...
Are you all really hedging your bets and wouldn't Jesus know you are doing that so if your are right and there is a heaven won't G-d know you were just believing to hedge your bets?
I have heard more then once from Christians that they believe in Jesus because if they are wrong then they don't have anything to lose if they are wrong...
Are you all really hedging your bets and wouldn't Jesus know you are doing that so if your are right and there is a heaven won't G-d know you were just believing to hedge your bets?
Christians aren't hedging 'their' bets. As you point out, God sees and knows the heart and there is no advantage to only a pretense.
Christians use the 'hedging' arguement to try to get non-believers to recognize that there is far greater danger in clinging to a Christless belief, than simple theological or religious error.
Christians aren't hedging 'their' bets. As you point out, God sees and knows the heart and there is no advantage to only a pretense.
Christians use the 'hedging' arguement to try to get non-believers to recognize that there is far greater danger in clinging to a Christless belief, than simple theological or religious error.
So there is a "far greater danger to clinging to a Christian belief"?
I agree there is a great danger in saying you believe something just to try to be on the right theological side....... like I said hedging your bets...
The Christians I have heard say this just want to make sure they get to heaven.
Jazzy - this is akin to Pascal's wager and is debated and refuted. Bottom line, from my viewpoint, if there is a god, he knows you have believed in him merely to decieve him and that is not good. If there is no god, no problems -we are all dust, but have wasted our lives living in fear or false hope.
I have heard more then once from Christians that they believe in Jesus because if they are wrong then they don't have anything to lose if they are wrong...
Are you all really hedging your bets and wouldn't Jesus know you are doing that so if your are right and there is a heaven won't G-d know you were just believing to hedge your bets?
I think that many of the rank and file believer would admit to such a view. The more rabid or fundamental the believer not so much, and even if they did feel that way, getting them to admit it is a different story.
The more rabid or visceral the denial, the more I am suspicious, proven time and time again by the raging homo haters that are eventually outed as closet homosexuals.
Christians aren't hedging 'their' bets. As you point out, God sees and knows the heart and there is no advantage to only a pretense.
Christians use the 'hedging' arguement to try to get non-believers to recognize that there is far greater danger in clinging to a Christless belief, than simple theological or religious error.
So, Christians want us to hedge our bets? How does that make sense? If God knows the heart and would know that we are only hedging our bets - why would a Christian want that for us?
I think that many of the rank and file believer would admit to such a view. The more rabid or fundamental the believer not so much, and even if they did feel that way, getting them to admit it is a different story.
The more rabid or visceral the denial, the more I am suspicious, proven time and time again by the raging homo haters that are eventually outed as closet homosexuals.
I really believe most Christians believe what they do because they are brainwashed and afraid to believe anything else.... Hell is a powerful thing to fear.. I believe those that are either atheist or believe something else that doesn't have a salvation/condemned senrio actually do think about what they believe or don't believe....
I really believe most Christians believe what they do because they are brainwashed and afraid to believe anything else.... Hell is a powerful thing to fear.. I believe those that are either atheist or believe something else that doesn't have a salvation/condemned senrio actually do think about what they believe or don't believe....
Agree, fear is the true power of christianity, a seed planted by the brainwashing of religious programming, but if they were honest, I suspect many would say they have doubts, but the fear of hell has a stronger hold on their mind than reason. I can't believe that the 70% or what ever the percentage is actually buys into the hoax 100%. If I'm wrong in that assumption, we (society) are in greater danger from mankind destroying itself over a superstition than estimated.
I have heard more then once from Christians that they believe in Jesus because if they are wrong then they don't have anything to lose if they are wrong...
Are you all really hedging your bets?
EVEN THOUGH I posted something similar on another thread, the answer is "no".
I believe in Christ as my savior because it is impossible for me not to believe.
I don't want to go to hell because I don't want to separated from God for all eternity. It is not out of fear, except for fear that I would be without God. Like I wouldn't want to be without water in the desert.
EVEN THOUGH I posted something similar on another thread, the answer is "no".
I believe in Christ as my savior because it is impossible for me not to believe.
I don't want to go to hell because I don't want to separated from God for all eternity. It is not out of fear, except for fear that I would be without God. Like I wouldn't want to be without water in the desert.
And I am connected to G-d as a Jew and it is impossible for me to be anything other then what I am.... To be different would be like i had lost my home... This is the essence of what I am.....When I die my body will go back to dust and my soul will be connected again from where it came to G-d.... Simple as that .... There is no heaven or hell.
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