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lol sure there is. You just don't recognize it when you see it. You have to be turned onto it in order to pick it up. Think of it like radio waves. You can't see them or detect them with your body alone, but if you have a radio, you have an instrument that translates it for you into a medium that your senses can detect. Same thing with God.
The problem with this is that radio waves have been empirically proven to exist. God on the otherhand, has not.
The problem with this is that radio waves have been empirically proven to exist. God on the otherhand, has not.
You won't hear what's coming through the radio waves if the radio is turned off. You pick up God through your person. If you're not "turned on", you won't feel the presence of God.
I can introduce you to plenty of people who have felt God, but since their instrument is their body, there's no way for them to "prove" it to you in the way you want them to.
Logically everything has a cause. It is illogical to say the universe "just came to be"..
Ok, then, logically - what caused God? You either have to contradict with yourself and claim that not everything has a cause (like God) or come up with something silly, like an infinite chain of gods creating each other.
The same problem applies to the topic starter. All of the "violations" of the laws of physics you mentioned are equally applicable to deism.
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You won't hear what's coming through the radio waves if the radio is turned off. You pick up God through your person. If you're not "turned on", you won't feel the presence of God. I can introduce you to plenty of people who have felt God...
So it's a bit like self-hypnosis or hallucinations or schizophrenia? Um, yeah, not the best argument for the existence of God. We are usually somewhat skeptical of people who hear voices in their heads.
The reasons why atheists don't believe in God is because I don't think they really understand what God is. They try to anthropomorphize Him too much. He's not a person.
Ok, then, logically - what caused God? You either have to contradict with yourself and claim that not everything has a cause (like God) or come up with something silly, like an infinite chain of gods creating each other.
The same problem applies to the topic starter. All of the "violations" of the laws of physics you mentioned are equally applicable to deism.
Actually, this is one of the few places where science and religion agree. Whether you believe in God, or the Big Bang, or Multiverses, you believe something caused something that started everything else. In other words, there has to be a beginning where something existed and has always existed. Something that is infinite.
The "something" that is infinite could always be evolving and changing forms, but that "it" has always been around.
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So it's a bit like self-hypnosis or hallucinations or schizophrenia? Um, yeah, not the best argument for the existence of God. We are usually somewhat skeptical of people who hear voices in their heads.
No, it's actually not at all like that. But, if you've never been open to it and haven't felt it, I can see why you'd be confused. Or go to the extreme of "hearing voices".
Scientists, by their own admission, only know 5% of what there is to actually know, which is not a lot. Science isn't any position to say there's no such thing as God.
Here's a fun, 6 minute cartoon overview created by scientists about how much we do and don't understand about the world around us: Dark Matters
Personally, I believe that when science gets around to explaining all there is to explain, religion and science are going to turn out to be the same thing. Same topic, just approached from different perspectives or avenues.
science ***the truth*** religion
-------------> truth <------------
I also believe you don't have to sacrifice scientific truths in order to be religious and believe in God.
Scientists, by their own admission, only know 5% of what there is to actually know, which is not a lot. Science isn't any position to say there's no such thing as God.
Didn't say they were, but a book of 2,000+ year old fables of absurdities isn't either.
And science and believers have look for thousands of years for any sign of this god thing, and to day, nada, zip, zilch.
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