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Exactly. I think it's very sad that someone would think the only way one could know that to hurt a child is wrong, is that God told them so.
Why? In some societies cannibalism is perfectly acceptable. Why is your opinion better?
Are you able to understand what I'm asking? We all agree certain things are horrible. What I want to know is why? What makes your opinion better than the cannibal's? Both you and him are only doing what society tells them is acceptable.
The Bible. the koran is a mindless collection of ramblings of a mad man.
Now, before you go and quote a Biblical text suggesting we do something violent, be aware of context. We don't live in Ancient Israel.
Not what I would do at all, even though I could.
My point is this. It's your OPINION that the bible is the one to pick and your OPINION that the koran is a mindless collections of ramblings of a mad man.
One could say the same about the bible, with multiple mad authors.
Opinions do matter, TheoGeek. So, answer your own question. What makes your opinion better than that Muslim who believes in his book?
I absolutely agree with you that hurting the weak is horrible. But it is not an objective standard. What happens when someone comes along and says it's ok? What absolute, ultimate standard do you base that opinion on? If you don't have something above you to tell you it's wrong, then it's just your opinion.
Ironically, you're smugly saying that atheists are so bright and are able to think, but I see no signs of any ability whatsoever to think philosophically among most of them.
what is absolute is treating folks in a manner that you want to be treated. I don't want to be hurt, I won't hurt others. That is it for me. That is not anything other then a way to co-exist with others.
There are to many folks out there who hurt and cause great pain in the name of religion. There are far to many people who sit silently because it is in the name of religion.
So the Christian beats their child because its in the bible. The Muslim kills his daughter because she dishonored the family. The Shia cuts her child for the Shia holiday of Ashura. The folks from the Westboro Baptist church picket and teach hate.
Where is the common sense and thoughtfulness?
And no I am not "smugly" saying anything. I am just stating my opinion.
Why? In some societies cannibalism is perfectly acceptable. Why is your opinion better?
Are you able to understand what I'm asking? We all agree certain things are horrible. What I want to know is why? What makes your opinion better than the cannibal's? Both you and him are only doing what society tells them is acceptable.
Well, since cannibalism is in the bible, I guess that would make it ok to you as well?
My opinion is better, because I'm not harming anyone. Like someone else said, the one who's opinion is one of not hurting another, trumps another's opinion.
How do I know? Logic and reason...not because a book told me.
My point is this. It's your OPINION that the bible is the one to pick and your OPINION that the koran is a mindless collections of ramblings of a mad man.
One could say the same about the bible, with multiple mad authors.
Opinions do matter, TheoGeek. So, answer your own question. What makes your opinion better than that Muslim who believes in his book?
Have you taken a good look at the 2?
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Well, since cannibalism is in the bible, I guess that would make it ok to you as well?
Where? Can you show me the verse?
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My opinion is better, because I'm not harming anyone. Like someone else said, the one who's opinion is one of not hurting another, trumps another's opinion.
How do I know? Logic and reason...not because a book told me.
Why is that the standard? You keep repeating it to me and saying it's just because. I want to know WHY?
The Bible. the koran is a mindless collection of ramblings of a mad man.
Now, before you go and quote a Biblical text suggesting we do something violent, be aware of context. We don't live in Ancient Israel.
So the Bible with all its violence directed towards people is ok, but not the Quran?
No you are right we don't live in ancient Israel. But much violence was committed towards others (non Christians) up to the modern age and done in the name of the bible and Christianity.
Honestly the Quran came 700 years after Jesus' death. It is 1400 years old now.
When Christianity was 1400 years old it was very violent towards the non Christian and those it deemed heretics.
what is absolute is treating folks in a manner that you want to be treated. I don't want to be hurt, I won't hurt others. That is it for me. That is not anything other then a way to co-exist with others.
There are to many folks out there who hurt and cause great pain in the name of religion. There are far to many people who sit silently because it is in the name of religion.
That's all well and fine. I get that. But what do you base that on? If it's only merely your opinion, then realistically you have no rational way of saying you're better than anyone else. We need to look to the authority above us.
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So the Christian beats their child because its in the bible.
Can you point out that verse to me? I'm not aware of any such verse.
So the Bible with all its violence directed towards people is ok, but not the Quran?
In the context, yes.
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No you are right we don't live in ancient Israel. But much violence was committed towards others (non Christians) up to the modern age and done in the name of the bible and Christianity.
And it was wrong.
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Honestly the Quran came 700 years after Jesus' death. It is 1400 years old now.
When Christianity was 1400 years old it was very violent towards the non Christian and those it deemed heretics.
And the people that did that were wrong.
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