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Old 09-15-2012, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Warren, Michigan
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Heck, we learned that in first grade, Mickiel.

We learned there were bad kids and we knew to stay away from them. We knew our actions were justified when they later went to jail.

Well thats why I said some prophecy is simple, even a first grader can understand it. Its simply obvious proof of God, standing right there in the face of first grade level, and still many adults can't get to it. One of the few books in human history that has " Other worldly implications surrounding it", and those who thrist for proof of other worldly things and events, don't believe the bible. Well their scared of it. Implicated by it; intimidated by it; and refuse to be ultimately judged by it.

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Old 09-15-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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Well thats why I said some prophecy is simple, even a first grader can understand it. Its simply obvious proof of God, standing right there in the face of first grade level, and still many adults can't get to it.
You have a point.

Come to think of it, the first graders who warned me to stay away from the bad kids were named Moses and Jesus. I wonder . . . .
 
Old 09-15-2012, 08:49 AM
 
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Prophecy is a simple proof of God if one expands their consciousness beyond cynicism and doubt Sans; such as 2 Tim. 3:13;" But evil men and imposters will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being decieved." This simple prophecy is stunning, as it foretells the last days of humanity, and it has been right on target. Who is to say that humanitys evil men couldnot have proceeded from bad to good and continually get better? Why did that not occur? As a whole? Are we then stuck on a certain pattern in humanity? Well thats part of what makes the bible so stunning, and prophecy a proof of God, who had the bible written, it correctly predicted this wave in humanity and pointed out a specific charactheristic of it. This was not quess work, it was inspired consciousness, and the inspiration came from a non human source, which is proof of that source.
There are hundreds of failed Biblical prophecies for example Skeptic's Annotated Bible and Epic Bible Fails.
 
Old 09-15-2012, 10:00 AM
 
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There are hundreds of failed Biblical prophecies for example Skeptic's Annotated Bible and Epic Bible Fails.


The majority of those sites take it out of context. You don't have to read them out of context even in context they fail.I tend to check them out before I use them. Still the biggest failed prophecy is that Jesus was supposed to come back in the time of the prophets. And he didn't. Christians fail to understand this.
 
Old 09-15-2012, 10:47 AM
 
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Prophecy is a simple proof of God if one expands their consciousness beyond cynicism and doubt Sans; such as 2 Tim. 3:13;" But evil men and imposters will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being decieved." This simple prophecy is stunning, as it foretells the last days of humanity, and it has been right on target. Who is to say that humanitys evil men couldnot have proceeded from bad to good and continually get better? Why did that not occur? As a whole? Are we then stuck on a certain pattern in humanity? Well thats part of what makes the bible so stunning, and prophecy a proof of God, who had the bible written, it correctly predicted this wave in humanity and pointed out a specific charactheristic of it. This was not quess work, it was inspired consciousness, and the inspiration came from a non human source, which is proof of that source.
Actually, just the opposite is true, as humans have been becoming less evil throughout history, so this is yet another failed prophesy...
 
Old 09-16-2012, 07:15 AM
 
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Default I suppose some really NEED to have a good biblical prophesy in their back-pockets, huh?

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The majority of those sites take it out of context. You don't have to read them out of context even in context they fail.I tend to check them out before I use them. Still the biggest failed prophecy is that Jesus was supposed to come back in the time of the prophets. And he didn't. Christians fail to understand this.
The EPIC BIBLE FAILS site...

Epic Bible Fails - Top 10 Failed Prophecies

...is a fascinating and uncontestable site to be sure. It absolutely make the point that all these ambiguous propheceses are simply wishful thinking and wild second-guessing, or self-fulfilling types, rather than even one single valid prophecy.

By comparison, I want to know when some specific event is going to happen, how, and exactly whom it will absolutely involve. Only in this way will it be considered as even a potential prophecy, since even under some conditions, unlikely but possible things could appear to be prophetic. For instance, it is possible that a meteorite will fall onto the north American hemisphere on a Sunday afternoon some time in the fall months.

This does not absolutely mean, even if it were perhaps fortold, that God is returning, or that "The end is nigh! Run! OMG!" Rather, this can be categorized as highly wishful thinking, the sort that would put the iron in ancient mythical religious fairy-tales, which is the stuff of biblical stories. All totally unsubstantiated. Always.

Now, several of such absolute events, with precise times provided exactly, would be somewhat more convincing, but we all know that's simply not ever going to happen! So, meantime, as to those vague and ambiguous suggested "absolute" prophecies? Nope: sorry. They don't cut it with those of us steeped in logic, empirical evidence and publishable credibility.

And even at that point, there would have to be more than one such event for it to be categorically, statistically and demonstrably a true prophecy by the definition of that word.

Otherwise, it's just whistlin' in the dust storm of faked religious nonsense!

Definition of PROPHESY

transitive verb 1 : to utter by or as if by divine or supernatural inspiration

2: to predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic or even scientific knowledge

3: to provide absolute and unambiguous advance "prophetic" knowledge of some specific future event.

Note: a prophecy is only considered to be valid and accurate if it's events do then indeed come true. Not those that are then put off until a later date when they did not occur anywhere close to previously prophesied or proclaimed times or outcomes (see: the various religious catastrophe claims that have come and gone, too many times to count now: the wack-job Harold Camping [recently hospitalized for having suffered a stroke... wonder if he prophesied that one?)

Harold Camping mum about judgment day, atheists aren't - seattlepi.com


...Or this classic and wonderful site" a countdown clock to the next sure-to-fail prophesy!

\http://www.wecantknow.com/

Enjoy! Oh, and rest easy! Tain't none'it gonna happen, no way, no how!
 
Old 09-16-2012, 08:16 AM
 
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Well thats why I said some prophecy is simple, even a first grader can understand it. Its simply obvious proof of God, standing right there in the face of first grade level, and still many adults can't get to it. One of the few books in human history that has " Other worldly implications surrounding it", and those who thrist for proof of other worldly things and events, don't believe the bible. Well their scared of it. Implicated by it; intimidated by it; and refuse to be ultimately judged by it.
You haven't mastered the art of Prophecy Faking, have you? Simple: come up with a few hundred incredibly vague predictions, and if something even partially accurate comes up, ignore the failure of the rest and declare yourself a deity. It's not exclusive to Christianity at all.
 
Old 09-16-2012, 11:31 AM
 
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The bible not only coincides its prophecy with real world events, the world was created along the same lines of scientific knowledge and its known laws. In Genesis 1: God gives water and light, then gives land from beneath the waters, just like valcanos grow from beneath and boil to the surface and cool. The most important factor in the history of the universe is that it cools off as it expands.
 
Old 09-16-2012, 11:55 AM
 
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The bible not only coincides its prophecy with real world events, the world was created along the same lines of scientific knowledge and its known laws. In Genesis 1: God gives water and light, then gives land from beneath the waters, just like valcanos grow from beneath and boil to the surface and cool. The most important factor in the history of the universe is that it cools off as it expands.
qutoting the bible is not evidence learn some geology and geography on the structure of the earth stop living in bronze age ignorance









 
Old 09-16-2012, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Warren, Michigan
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qutoting the bible is not evidence learn some geology and geography on the structure of the earth stop living in bronze age ignorance









Geology and geography were created by God, as was the bronze age, the structure of the earth, and you and I. Know the orgin of things.
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