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No, I didn't. When posting the first time I was speaking about the verse you quoted from the Bible, so far out of context it wasn't even funny, to justify in the eyes of Jesus your "depraved" entertainment. However I am not Christian. I think porn is fine, as is everything, in moderation.
I'm still deciding on my religion, but it's better to live as though God exists, because when you die, you may end up meeting him.
Porn is not fine in moderation. That's what I thought in high school, and those days went by so slowly just waiting to get out of school and watch porn. I agree with the view that it cheapens your life, because it inhibits you from thinking about more important areas of life. If you don't watch porn it's easier to work at the food pantry or do good, without feeling that you are missing out on hedonistic pleasures.
Also, if you think porn is fine in moderation why would you attack me for enjoying the depraved books? That was self-evident in my first post.
Having had sex, De Sade makes it out to be much better than it is in real life. I mean, we're talking about a guy who's friend in the church seduced 22 out of thirty nuns to have lesbian sex with her. Almost all of the rest of the book was spent arguing against God. That being the case, I think it's fair to say God exists, and He was making her feel guilty.
Also, I still want an example of where the Old Testament bans sexual immorality. Jesus was Jewish, after all.
I'm still deciding on my religion, but it's better to live as though God exists, because when you die, you may end up meeting him.
People are STILL spouting pascals wager as if it makes any sense. Have we made no progress at all in this world I wonder.
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Porn is not fine in moderation. That's what I thought in high school, and those days went by so slowly just waiting to get out of school and watch porn.
Then this is not what I would call "moderation" it is what I would call "addiction". If anything... not just porn... is impacting one area of your life in that way then you have a problem. This is NOTHING to do with porn. Fast food can do it, computer games can do it, love can do it, lazyness can do it, television can do it, any hobby can do it. If you find yourself unable to apply yourself to an important area of your life because all you can think of is another area of your life then YOU have a problem.
Trying to move that problem from YOU to the target of it, be that target porn, television, computer games, or whatever... is just deflection and is disingenuous to the target subject. You can not indict whole subjects with your own failures or problems.
Then this is not what I would call "moderation" it is what I would call "addiction". If anything... not just porn... is impacting one area of your life in that way then you have a problem. This is NOTHING to do with porn. Fast food can do it, computer games can do it, love can do it, lazyness can do it, television can do it, any hobby can do it. If you find yourself unable to apply yourself to an important area of your life because all you can think of is another area of your life then YOU have a problem.
Trying to move that problem from YOU to the target of it, be that target porn, television, computer games, or whatever... is just deflection and is disingenuous to the target subject. You can not indict whole subjects with your own failures or problems.
What I was driving at is that it's impossible to live with porn in moderation. No matter what, it becomes an addiction in the mind. I gave up meat, drinking, drugs, and porn three years ago. The only one I still think about is porn. The only thing more addictive than porn is heroin. People who use heroin, and then quit, report going on to think about it every day of their lives.
You're right that hobbies become habits, that's why it's important to have good habits. It's better not to sit around playing video games while millions starve to death. Porn is easier to justify, because we have a biological need for sex. See right now, I'm trying to justify it by thinking, well, Jews are the smartest, based on IQ and Ivy League enrollment, and the Old Testament has no ban on porn, and it doesn't impact others so it's ok.
It's wrong though because it creates an inhibiting addiction that feeds off human nature.
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But it don't matter if you're dead - according to the Scriptures.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
A dead man can't walk. We must be made alive first to walk which comes by only by trusting Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.
It's a free gift given upon repentance (ephesians 2:8-10)(Romans 4,5)
What I was driving at is that it's impossible to live with porn in moderation.
And what I was driving at is that this claim is a load of tosh based on nothing but an anecdote of one. Yours.
It might have been impossible for YOU but that does not make it impossible. Or even difficult. There are a lot of moderate users of porn. Computer Games. Alcohol. Drugs. Sex. Fast Food. And much more.
Some people have an issue with moderation, yes, and you clearly are one of them but extrapolating your weaknesses to a general comment about porn as a whole is simply poor reasoning.
I am sure it is easier for someone like you to blame porn rather than blame themselves. To blame porn for being addictive, evil or worse. Anything but simply admit "I did not have the self discipline required to control it and use it in moderation". It is just easier to think porn is itself at fault.
Again: If any area of your life is negatively impacting on any other important area of your life in the way you described then you have a problem. YOU. Not the thing having the impact. Whether that thing be porn, games, food, model airplanes, alcohol, or following your arbitrarily chosen football team.
As such your canard that porn is to blame is actually quite damaging. Psychiatrists and self help programs will often tell you that the first step in solving a problem is admitting you HAVE a problem. So coming onto a forum like this telling people the problem is not with them but with porn is not just false, but actually potentially damaging to the recovery of those who fall for it.
I'm still deciding on my religion, but it's better to live as though God exists, because when you die, you may end up meeting him.
Well, it is pretty obvious that you are still quite immature when it comes to intellectual thought. I Mean, anyone who would base their religion off o fthe assumed intelligence of attendees of Ivy league colleges would have to be....... right? When you get a few more years under your belt, you will perhaps be more content using your OWN brain.
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Porn is not fine in moderation. That's what I thought in high school, and those days went by so slowly just waiting to get out of school and watch porn. I agree with the view that it cheapens your life, because it inhibits you from thinking about more important areas of life. If you don't watch porn it's easier to work at the food pantry or do good, without feeling that you are missing out on hedonistic pleasures.
. If you can't handle pornography, the problem is your own. There are hundreds of thousands of folks who indulge in porn, and lead perectly normal lives without having an addiction to it.
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Also, if you think porn is fine in moderation why would you attack me for enjoying the depraved books? That was self-evident in my first post.
I wasn't attacking you because I find porn to be wrong, but because you had come off to me as a Christian looking to find a loophole to justify your unrighteous entertainment. If you want to be a Christian, or jewish, fine. Do your best to live up to those standards. Don't make your self out to be a hypocrit by circumventing those standards. You can't have it both ways.
And what I was driving at is that this claim is a load of tosh based on nothing but an anecdote of one. Yours.
On this forum that's true, that's why I used that info about herion users, to back up my claim. Furthermore, the sheer number of porn sites on the internet suggests that it is out of control and people can't even begin to control the actual practice of watching it yet alone thinking about it. If people had the ability to moderate porn, don't you think that the number of porn sites would be fewer than the number of fewer than the number of charity sites? It's not, it's not even close. That tells me that people care more about their orgasms than other people's lives.
I assume you're guilty, like me, and don't want to give up porn. If you can moderate it, try going one year without it, 1/3 of what I have done. If I'm wrong about you, fine, but I wonder why you seem defensive.
On this forum that's true, that's why I used that info about herion users, to back up my claim.
That does not really back up your claim. It just makes the same claim about a different thing. There are people who can also use drugs moderately. There are people who can use porn moderately. Again: Just because you can not your anecdote does not get to be extrapolated into a baseless indictment of porn.
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Furthermore, the sheer number of porn sites on the internet suggests that it is out of control and people can't even begin to control the actual practice of watching it yet alone thinking about it.
There's an enormous number of sites about food, movies, computer games and discussion forums too. The number of such things says nothing about whether people can control it or not. You just imagine it does.
There are other reasons why there is so many sites for porn on the net though. Porn is a much more private matter than computer games and movies. People prefer to engage in it in private on the net than go to high street stores. If porn was as readily accessible, not as taboo, and not as private then you would likely see it in as many places as there are supermarkets and liquor stores.
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I assume you're guilty, like me, and don't want to give up porn.
False. I actually have no interest in porn. Personally I can not understand the appeal of it. Watching porn to me is like looking at a picture of a steak at dinner time, or watching it rain when I am thirsty. It makes zero sense to me. I do not need to use it however to understand that the arguments you are levelling against it are baseless, unsubstantiated tosh extrapolated from nothing but an anecdote of one persons failure to moderate its use.
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I wonder why you seem defensive.
More tosh. No one is defensive here. I am on a discussion forum and I am doing what I do on EVERY thread on this discussion forum.... confronting unsubstantiated claims and debunking them. Nothing more. Nothing less. This ad hominem attempt serves nothing except to show the cracks that are appearing in your argument.... as it always does when someone leaves the facts of the argument and starts trying to make insidious comments about the people instead of the posts.
The number of such things says nothing about whether people can control it or not. You just imagine it does.
What evidence of that do you have? If you can give me good evidence that 3 billion + porn sites demonstrate that we moderate porn I'd like to hear it. Keep in mind that even making a single website takes a few months. A website with Playboy's quality and amount of information could take years to make. In fact, Hugh Hefner holds the world record for having more files than anyone. Our porn is better archived than our medical records.
I'm surprised you don't watch it yourself, good for you. I'd just figured it would be a good idea to preach to people about sexual immorality to see what happens.
What evidence of that do you have? If you can give me good evidence that 3 billion + porn sites demonstrate that we moderate porn I'd like to hear it.
Now you are making up figures. Here is a website with porn statistics. Which shows that there are 4.2 million porn sites. A LOT less than 3 billion. And this is 12% of the number of sites on the internet.
Really if you are just making up numbers then it shows your evidence is pretty lame. However it is YOU making the claims here, not me. If you think the number of sites indicates an inability to practice moderation then it is YOU not I that have to substantiate that claim.
Yet Again: You admit to having issues with porn and moderation of it. That is YOUR problem and one has to admit to having a problem before one can effectively tackle it. Pretending that the problem is with porn and not you is just the self delusion of someone in denial. Seek help and stop projecting your failings on an industry you happen to blame.
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I'm surprised you don't watch it yourself, good for you.
Nothing to do with "good for you". I simply am not interested. So I can take no credit for not watching it. Nor would I given I see nothing wrong with watching it. The only "good for you" any of us deserve is when we practice moderation in ANY part of our life. I have things that I love doing/having. I practice them in moderation however and do not let them impact other important parts of my life. Of that I am proud.
You have failed to do that, but instead of addressing your failing you are projecting that guilt onto porn itself and blaming it. This is not healthy. Nor is it advisable to tell others that porn is to blame as you are harming their recovery too. Admit you have a problem and you are half way to the cure.
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