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Originally Posted by Vansdad
I see your anger and it is quite overwhelming actually. I am sorry for the delay but I am not always on here. Let's see...scientifically there is a connection or mathematical formula that ties all the universe together. Just like E=mc2 there is a connection between energy and matter. So obviously formula's like the one Einstien discovered are still waiting to be discovered. Ones that tie all sorts of things and maybe even life together.
I believe that this God not only knows them but created it this way. (rflmn: Good. At least you allow that this is only your belief, and is totally unsupportable with any evidence!) It is His knowlegde that built this universe, life and all. So vast we can hardly fathom it all. (rflmn: however, some of us who persue such thoughts have far more information and fathomliness [] than others who prefer, it seems, to not understand anything that might upset that tippy faith-based apple cart...)
I do not use or subscribe to the bibles' rendition, whatever that is. But purpose and deliberateness of life and the universe are real to me. I think it is beyond shallow to think all of this is just here for no reason. (rflmn: and so do I. You seem to think atheists don't believe there's any rationality behind anything unless it's coated in God Sauce™!)
Those are just my beliefs. (rflmn: Yup. You got that one right) And with a deliberate creation is the Creator. To me it would be like saying a car is just there. No it was put together for a purpose. Now just think of how much more complex life and the universe is. Are you saying it has no purpose? (rflmn: Uh... Nope. Never said that. Why do you keep bringing that false statement up? Just because we differ on the reason for this universe does not mean you are right and I am, by default, wrong!)
Come on you can't be serious. Anyway believe what you want and have a good time with it.
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Oh puh-
leeeeze! Come
on now. The "art requires an artist" and "cars require a designer" arguments are straw-men all the way! There's absolutely NO logical connect between something that
bio-
logically™ evolved (small "e" this time...) in it's abilities and an engineered car, which is indeed
designed to meet some rather obtuse criteria.
Like, for example, race-car handling or a high top speed or unusually low fuel consumption. But let's not forget, as Christian apologists always purposefully do, that a car has absolutely no way or means of trial-and-error testing and development
on it's own and then
modifying itself to improve it's design.
A bucket full of nuts and bolts are quite unlike the RNA/DNA situation, in which mutations always occur (or do you deny those?) and then on on to replicate, but obviously if that mutation was worthless or bad-a$$, it is dropped like a bad egg! On the other hand, if it's good, then obviously it will be successful all on it's own.
This silly argument is right up there in disfunctional absurdity with that old try-on:
"imagine a tornado pausing over a junk yard and a Boeing 747 magically assembling itself as a result!" The necessary component parts are not in that junkyard, and the "desire" for a functioning plane to self-assemble is simply not there. And the mechanism for assembly is also missing, nor are there any guiding plans such as a previous and functional genome.
What a patently ludicrous comparison, and one that inevitably demos the lack of clear and logical thinking on the part of anyone who
ever proposes it. As well, it's simply a cut & paste from AiG
et al , absent any clear and critical thinking process.
As well, realize that a carbon-based RNA/DNA-moderated organism has all the necessary precursors floating around it to make literally
anything within it's potential sphere, and it also replicates offspring at a phenomenal rate. As well, the sameprocess is happening with all the surrounding bacteria or whatever,
simultaneously, with lots of diversification and branching out of functionalities obviously coincidentally happening. Car design is, by comparison, "serial".
Fact: There's more bacterial replicants created in a single liter of ocean water in a single 24 h period than there are
ALL the cars, trucks, planes and trains that have EVER been built. EVER.
Now expand that to all the mega-liters of nice tepid-warm primordial amino-acid and other useful chemically-filled water in the entire global ocean, and allow for a nice slow 24 - 36h reproduction period. Oh but then.... then we multiply
that by,
ohhhh let's give it...
uhmmmm... ±10 million years of non-stop trial and error Evolution (big E this time..).
Do you not think it's just
possible that some useful and positive
bio-
logical™ "design" adaptations
might occur in that vastly productive period? And that indeed, improved and more complex organisms do build on their "lesser" or not as well adapted previous DNA genomes?
Can you grasp that idea? And so will you now drop the
"they say it ll just poofed into existence!!, out of nothing" accustation, at least as something coming from the scientific community? Because frankly, that's
entirely the Christian purvue,
never ours, as I have
just proven.
And logically and demonstrably, in fact, that's
exactly how we all got here. From bacteria [which mutate hourly to remain hard to treat...], to bats to bullfrogs to apes... to us. Simple, huh?