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View Poll Results: Should this thread be moved ?
yes 4 28.57%
no 4 28.57%
maybe 0 0%
can't tell 1 7.14%
no opinion 1 7.14%
I pray 0 0%
I don't pray 1 7.14%
I vote 1 7.14%
I don't vote 1 7.14%
ASK Steven. 1 7.14%
Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-25-2014, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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I mean in your real life, when no one is around... and you have a problem. Do you pray for an answer. Then like that guy in jail for twenty years, waits for 10 days and things start to change and he literally sees a light .... and DNS evidence is found to save him. (The Morton Case in Texas.) Politics and the law never helped him until he Prayed.

Praying is joked about and it seems like it does not and should not work... but our founding fathers prayed. It is not against the law. But what is it...I mean when it works.... how is it done. I know it works because I have done it... but is it believing that throws the lever...

Believing is a strong force... I say it's an energy force as Hawking said... part of the grand Design.

Does it work? Is it a natural phenomena?

Advertisers seem to like to use it... they cause us to believe things ... not always good for us.

So believing is not synonymous with goodness.

Politics must decide issues of good and evil. Or at least pretend to and make the populous think/ believe they do.

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Old 06-25-2014, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Illinois
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Default I think you are on to something there.

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So that guy in jail and other miracles ( SO CALLED ) They could be cause by the electromagnetic activity of the brain, and the feeling of belief is the way it is turned on?

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Old 06-25-2014, 07:10 PM
 
Location: USA
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Which part of the question is related to writing?
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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Which part of the question is related to writing?
Thread has been moved from Writing to Religions.

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Old 06-26-2014, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Well, it's in the right place NOW. The OP doesn't really meet the title, imo. I was thinking in terms of how religion affects political choices and where lines should be drawn. As for how prayer may or may njot affect operation of the government, pray, it could help, but do something to improve the situation for everybody involved as well.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Emmaus, PA
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To answer the original question, the United States believes in the separation of church and state.
That means that religion plays NO part in our government, except for some ultra-conservatives, who tend to believe that the United States should be a theocracy.
In other words, it doesn't matter in the slightest whether the President is a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, atheist, or anything else.
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:25 PM
 
Location: East Coast U.S.
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To answer the original question, the United States believes in the separation of church and state.
Actually, the founders recognized the need for recognition of the different roles assigned to church and state. These notions were a result of history (live and learn) and various philosophers and, dare I say, theologians. That's right, the Bible gives quite explicit guidance for assigning specified roles to the church and to the state.

...but then, it seems that most folks in today's culture are quite ignorant of the Bible. They often impugn and malign a book that they themselves have never taken much time to study.

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That means that religion plays NO part in our government, except for some ultra-conservatives, who tend to believe that the United States should be a theocracy.
Ever hear of the term "voting your conscience?" Last I knew, all laws (which by necessity IMPOSE some form of morality) originate and are passed by the legislature. "Religion" is a loaded term. In truth, everyone has a worldview - an individual philosophy of life - if you will. It seems logical to suppose that individual legislators will, in many cases, be inclined to vote according to their own philosophical leanings. So how would one go about policing a supposed "separation" between philosophy and government (state)?

It all strikes me as being rather absurd.

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In other words, it doesn't matter in the slightest whether the President is a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, atheist, or anything else.
Truth cannot be contradictory. Truth matters to me.
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Old 06-27-2014, 06:07 PM
 
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Well now...this is a subject that will divide voters. One side of the ship we have the Bible backers, and the other side of the ship we have those shouting "Separation." On the bridge of the ship...where the wheel that moves the rudder to steer the ship is, we find the captain. The question is, who controls the ship?
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Old 06-27-2014, 07:58 PM
 
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I voted Bellybutton.
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Old 06-27-2014, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Ever hear of the term "voting your conscience?" Last I knew, all laws (which by necessity IMPOSE some form of morality) originate and are passed by the legislature. "Religion" is a loaded term. In truth, everyone has a worldview - an individual philosophy of life - if you will. It seems logical to suppose that individual legislators will, in many cases, be inclined to vote according to their own philosophical leanings. So how would one go about policing a supposed "separation" between philosophy and government (state)?
How one "polices" that separation is by determining whether the rationale for any law is purely religious or whether there are compelling secular reasons for that law. The point is that your conscience should not impose on me what is not clearly good sense from a secular point of view as well.
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