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They did not believe him to be anything special. They saw him as a blasphemer. To this day, this still do. Much like the Muslims only view him as a prophet, nothing more nothing less.
They don't feel shame. They may ask you, do you feel shame for worshipping a blasphemer? Muslims may ask, do you feel shame for thinking this prophet is the son of God?
You're questions presumes that you are right and everyone else is wrong, and that is never a presumption you should make.
They did not believe him to be anything special. They saw him as a blasphemer. To this day, this still do. Much like the Muslims only view him as a prophet, nothing more nothing less.
They don't feel shame. They may ask you, do you feel shame for worshipping a blasphemer? Muslims may ask, do you feel shame for thinking this prophet is the son of God?
You're questions presumes that you are right and everyone else is wrong, and that is never a presumption you should make.
So the Jews killed Jesus because they thought (and currently think) of him as a man speaking blasphemy?
So Jews then believe a Catholic/Christian priest is a blasphemer? (They teach Jesus words).
Why do Jews believe Jesus is a blasphemer? He only projected love and did beautiful things when he was alive.
Ah, yes, but, once it is made clear that it was the Romans who execution Jesus, we move back to trench two. 'The Romans may have killed Jesus but the Jews made them do it'.
So then we point out that it was not 'The Jews' but a tiny group of them, seeing their authority threatened, fabricated a rather absurd religious charge against Jesus, and Pilate couldn't care less about it anyway. It was a charge of sedition that had to be brought in the end.
Thus if it was just a few Sanhedrin members, how can one say it was 'The Jews' as though they were all to blame?
We then get a retreat to trench three, I suppose with a reference to Matthew 27.25 which depicts 'all the people' eagerly taking Jesus' blood guilt on themselves.
To which I respond that (not unusually) Matthew is the only one to have this remarkable event. None of the others have it. Thus Matthew made it up.
This explains everything. Matthew bent over backwards to have the blame for Jesus' death passed onto 'the Jews' as an entire people. The gospels as a whole work very hard at passing the blame for the Romans executing Jesus onto the High priest, who after all had been appointed by the Romans (Pilate's predecessor) and Caiaphas was head of the Sanhedrin all during Pilate's term of office. Effectively, the Sanhedrin were part of the Roman administration.
Thus, to the original version of the story making it seem that Pilate had been pushed into executing Jesus (reluctantly) by a group of Jews clamouring for his death, the gospel -writers would add their own little refinements - John suggests that Pilate handed over the business of crucifixion to the Sanhedrin - and we know crucifixion was an abomination to Jews, even if they were not Priests needing to be ritually pure for the Passover (John 18.28) and this silly idea is given the lie all through since the Sadducees are shown as having to refer back to Pilate about his written notice and posting a guard, which shows that the writers knew very well that Pilate was overseeing the execution.
Luke's invention is Jesus being sent over to Herod Antipas so that he can do the mocking and flogging when this story is given the lie by the others who make it clear that it was Pilate's Roman soldiers who did this.
I don't even need to go into the matter of the sedition charge and the obvious basis of it - which is studiously not even hinted at through Sanhedrin hearing or Pilate's trial, nor the business of the Passover release.
It should be clear that the Gospels are elaborating on an original common effort by the Christian writers to pass the blame for the crucifixion from Rome to the Jews. Thisis because as Roman Christians they could not bear it that Rome had executed their Lord and Saviour and (as it clear from the gospels) they hated the Jews anyway.
Why did the Jews kill Jesus? They didn't: Rome did. Why? For the reason it said on the note Pilate wrote - a charge of sedition.
So the Jews killed Jesus because they thought (and currently think) of him as a man speaking blasphemy?
"The Jews" didn't kill anyone. Some Jews might have worked with the Romans. Hundreds, if not thousands, of people were crucified by the Romans in Israel alone. Jesus was nothing special in that regard. I also do not feel any kind of remorse because why should I? It happened 2000 years ago - why should an entire people feel remorse for the murder of one person 500 generations before we were even born? Do you feel guilty for the Crusades? Holocaust? Trail of Tears?
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So Jews then believe a Catholic/Christian priest is a blasphemer? (They teach Jesus words).
Why do Jews believe Jesus is a blasphemer? He only projected love and did beautiful things when he was alive.
While I generally don't go so far as to call someone a blasphemer unless they are pushing their religion on me, as a Jew I believe that Christians are following a false messiah. That is blasphemy, yes. The Mosiach has not yet come and Jesus, while likely a good person, did not fulfill the prophecies required to have that title.
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Why did they kill the son of god? What did they win by doing such a terrible thing? Do Jews have/feel any remorse or shame?
Are you forgetting that Yeshua of Nazareth was himself a Jew?
Besides.....Jesus was not exactly killed by his own people. Oh sure, being the rabble rouser and insurrectionist he was, he did indeed anger the religious elders of the time--the Pharisees--as well as the Sanhedrin, who served as a sort of City Council and High Court, but at the end of the day it was the Roman governor Pontius Pilate who actually OK'd pulling the plug on ol' JC.
The hoo-haw about Pilate trying everything he could to get the Pharisees to drop their charges of heresy against JC is pure anti-Semitic nonsense. Including the bit about letting one of the condemned Jews go free in honor of the Passover (the bit where the Pharisees chose to let Barabas go instead of Jesus.)
The term "robber" as used in the New Testament is based on the Latin "lestai" which actually translates into "bandit." And in 1st century Palestine the Romans used the word bandit to describe an insurrectionist, or a political enemy of the State. And Pilate was notorious for dealing very harshly with these sorts, who were rife ate that time of Roman Occupation and rule. Pilate would have gladly and expediently dealt with Jesus in the manner he did with all Jewish trouble makers: execution by crucifixion.
Jesus was just one of dozens of Jewish freedom fighters of the time. The secular writings of Jesus are indeed scant, but the ones that do exist--usually in the form of letters from Roman political and historian types, always describe Jesus as little more than a trouble maker for Roman authority.
In fact it was Pilate's over-zealousness with Jewish dissenters that prompted his commanders back in Rome to relieve him of his post in Palestine and return to Italy.
Why is anti-Semitism becoming so much more prevalent all of a sudden, world-wide? Do we learn nothing from history?
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