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Old 11-29-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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What you said that was incorrect, to non-Christians, was that the only way to be a non-hypocrite is to follow Biblical teachings.

Also, I added an edit while you were posting. Can you name a few of those violent atheist societies you mentioned? They may well exist, that is not a "gotcha" on my part. However, I've personally never heard of them.
I did NOT say that. I said everyone, atheists included, are hypocrites. Anyone who claims to be good, but does bad, is a hypocrite.
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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I did NOT say that. I said everyone, atheists included, are hypocrites. Anyone who claims to be good, but does bad, is a hypocrite.
No, you're still wrong. People can be good people overall, yet "do bad" on occasion even by your definition.

People can screw up - i.e., be human - but not be pure undulating evil deserving of an eternity burning in some netherworld.

Just not according to Christianity.

Sometimes, my children argue with one another, or one tries to take the bigger cookie. Sometimes, they try to avoid their homework. I can assure you they're not burning little balls of pure evil deserving of being jammed by pitchforks hourly for all eternity. (Just by Christianity's really, really strange definition.)

Nor are they hypocrites. I can assure you that they'll be the first to admit to you or anyone else that they screw up.

Now if they were telling others to be good "or else" with the undercurrent that they somehow are the ones "in the know" of exactly what God wants...then they'd be hypocrites. (Sound familiar?)

Still waiting for those examples of yours of atheist violent societies.
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:35 PM
 
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No, you're still wrong. People can be good people overall, yet "do bad" on occasion even by your definition.

People can screw up - i.e., be human - but not be pure undulating evil deserving of an eternity burning in some netherworld.

Just not according to Christianity.

Sometimes, my children argue with one another, or one tries to take the bigger cookie. Sometimes, they try to avoid their homework. I can assure you they're not burning little balls of pure evil deserving of being jammed by pitchforks hourly for all eternity. (Just by Christianity's really, really strange definition.)

Nor are they hypocrites. I can assure you that they'll be the first to admit to you or anyone else that they screw up.

Now if they were telling others to be good "or else" with the undercurrent that they somehow are the ones "in the know" of exactly what God wants...then they'd be hypocrites. (Sound familiar?)

Still waiting for those examples of yours of atheist violent societies.
Any person who claims to be "good" (Christian, atheist or in between), and does wrong, is a hypocrite. IOW, we're all hypocrites-it's the human condition. To claim Christians or religious people in general are hypocrites, is a case of pot/kettle.
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:38 PM
 
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I did NOT say that. I said everyone, atheists included, are hypocrites. Anyone who claims to be good, but does bad, is a hypocrite.
My god - what an incredibly, depressingly negative, cynical, hopeless, black and white view of humanity. What you're saying is that there is no such thing as a good human being - that there has never, in the entire history of the human race, been a good person, and that there never will be or even can be. Why in the world would anyone choose to look at their fellow human beings in that way? Why on earth would you deliberately choose such a worldview?
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:42 PM
 
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Any person who claims to be "good" (Christian, atheist or in between), and does wrong, is a hypocrite. IOW, we're all hypocrites-it's the human condition. To claim Christians or religious people in general are hypocrites, is a case of pot/kettle.
Nope. Not hypocritical if we occasionally do bad, admit we occasionally do bad, and DO NOT do bad all the while telling others that they're the ones who are somehow doing it all wrong.

That's hypocrisy.
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:43 PM
 
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My god - what an incredibly, depressingly negative, cynical, hopeless, black and white view of humanity. What you're saying is that there is no such thing as a good human being - that there has never, in the entire history of the human race, been a good person, and that there never will be or even can be. Why in the world would anyone choose to look at their fellow human beings in that way? Why on earth would you deliberately choose such a worldview?
By George you got it, there is none righteous. Our garments are like filthy rags
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:43 PM
 
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My god - what an incredibly, depressingly negative, cynical, hopeless, black and white view of humanity. What you're saying is that there is no such thing as a good human being - that there has never, in the entire history of the human race, been a good person, and that there never will be or even can be. Why in the world would anyone choose to look at their fellow human beings in that way? Why on earth would you deliberately choose such a worldview?
This is what Christianity relies on. That "you can't do it right no matter what" meme.

That means you HAVE TO "be" a Christian in order not to be tortured forever.

It's 100% fear (terror, in fact)-based and controlled. And yes. That's sad. IMO.
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:45 PM
 
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My god - what an incredibly, depressingly negative, cynical, hopeless, black and white view of humanity. What you're saying is that there is no such thing as a good human being - that there has never, in the entire history of the human race, been a good person, and that there never will be or even can be. Why in the world would anyone choose to look at their fellow human beings in that way? Why on earth would you deliberately choose such a worldview?
Nice try.
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:48 PM
 
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Nope. Not hypocritical if we occasionally do bad, admit we occasionally do bad, and DO NOT do bad all the while telling others that they're the ones who are somehow doing it all wrong.

That's hypocrisy.
Here's the definition of hypocrite.

a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.

Everyone does that at some point.
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Old 11-29-2014, 09:49 PM
 
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This is what Christianity relies on. That "you can't do it right no matter what" meme.

That means you HAVE TO "be" a Christian in order not to be tortured forever.

It's 100% fear (terror, in fact)-based and controlled. And yes. That's sad. IMO.
Well, can you (do right, no matter what)?
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