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You make some very good points, however, the thing about the New Covenant is that it is not based on laws, but on a universal principle: concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation.
The salient point was that what it is based on was declared by fiat. Therefore, claims that that declaration is any more valid than any other declaration, even one that is contrary, is inherently false.
You make some very good points, however, the thing about the New Covenant is that it is not based on laws, but on a universal principle: concern for the well-being of everyone in any situation. Your statement above apply to specific applications perceived about how to attain that goal in the particular values of a society (laws, mores), and any such need to be examined in the light of current conditions to have their purpose carried out rather than the particulars of the rule. "The letter kills but the spirit gives life." Any attempt to use Jesus' statement about fulfilling "law" to impose the particulars of the laws rather than fulfill the purpose of any law is precisely opposed to what Jesus taught and lived in every example of his life.
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The salient point was that what it is based on was declared by fiat. Therefore, claims that that declaration is any more valid than any other declaration, even one that is contrary, is inherently false.
IT was based on fiat for the same reason that we use rules for our young children. They are too immature to understand the principle behind it and do not have the self-control to override their inner drives. That is the situation with our savage and primitive ancestors prior to Christ.
IT was based on fiat for the same reason that we use rules for our young children.
And therefore it makes sense to apply them with regard to the formative development of children of that religion, not with any regard to the adults of all religions.
And therefore it makes sense to apply them with regard to the formative development of children of that religion, not with any regard to the adults of all religions.
And the point I made is that the New Covenant is not about rules that may change.
IT was based on fiat for the same reason that we use rules for our young children. They are too immature to understand the principle behind it and do not have the self-control to override their inner drives. That is the situation with our savage and primitive ancestors prior to Christ.
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And therefore it makes sense to apply them with regard to the formative development of children of that religion, not with any regard to the adults of all religions.
There is no question that rules are useful with young developing minds not fully capable of moral reasoning . . . but they cannot be applied without understanding the capabilities of the young people. Sprouts have different capabilities to withstand the vicissitudes of life than do saplings (and certainly should not be expected to be mature trees or mighty oaks). It is a complete lack of understanding about the necessary development involved that is what causes damage and abuse of young people in religious homes run by ignorant fundamentalists.
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And the point I made is that the New Covenant is not about rules that may change.
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That would make your comment irrelevant to the subject matter of this thread, i.e. commandments.
Nate is referring to the PRINCIPLE the commandments were designed to foster. It encompasses the commandments but is an absolute standard, far more expansive and covers far more circumstances than the commandments.
To say that commandments are not the basis of good relationship in a society is certainly relevant to the topic.....which is commandments.
Which is why I posted what I wrote earlier, before your prior comment.
Rewinding and trying again ...
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And therefore it makes sense to apply them with regard to the formative development of children of that religion, not with any regard to the adults of all religions.
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