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Old 04-22-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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Like wise we Muslims believe the Bible and Tanakh are correct except where they contradict the Qur'an
Then do you believe the first sentence in Chapter 31 of the Book of Numbers is true or false?
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Old 04-22-2015, 02:44 PM
 
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my Creator would never give such a command..
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Old 04-22-2015, 02:44 PM
 
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Like wise we Muslims believe the Bible and Tanakh are correct except where they contradict the Qur'an


Much akin to the way that fundamentalists believe that science is correct with the exception of those theories which contradict the Bible.

Doctrinal convenience is not a factor in determining what is or is not true, it is just a factor in determining what will or won't be believed.
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Old 04-22-2015, 02:56 PM
 
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Much akin to the way that fundamentalists believe that science is correct with the exception of those theories which contradict the Bible.

Doctrinal convenience is not a factor in determining what is or is not true, it is just a factor in determining what will or won't be believed.
Completely different scenario. Science is based on observation and experimentation for the purpose of the collection of data in order that the evidence becomes so overwhelming that conclusions of proposed facts may come from them. Denying science is to deny evidence.

Denying the Bible of King James when it contradicts what we *believe* to be truth (the Quran) is an entirely different scenario to the above.
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Old 04-22-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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People who post on CD...just kidding...
You'll be the first one to perish, oh just kidding !!!!!!!!
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Old 04-22-2015, 04:38 PM
 
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my Creator would never give such a command..
Why not. She gave them before. Does a leopard change its spots?
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Old 04-22-2015, 04:46 PM
 
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I would seek immediate psychiatric help for anyone telling me God told them to harm someone. God telling someone to do this is very scary for the person experiencing this.
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Old 04-22-2015, 05:57 PM
 
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Completely different scenario. Science is based on observation and experimentation for the purpose of the collection of data in order that the evidence becomes so overwhelming that conclusions of proposed facts may come from them. Denying science is to deny evidence.

Denying the Bible of King James when it contradicts what we *believe* to be truth (the Quran) is an entirely different scenario to the above.
If it wasn't different, it wouldn't be an analogy, it would be the same thing.

For an analogy to work, there only has to be common elements or properties, not duplication. The common element in the case before us is convenience. "I rule that everything here is true with the exception of those things which contradict my existing beliefs." That is the dynamic at work in both cases.

It seems like about five times a year I find myself having to explain what an analogy is to someone who is objecting on the same grounds as we see above. Aren't they covering this in schools any longer?
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Old 04-22-2015, 06:00 PM
 
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Could you put your normal morals aside? Could you be convinced that God is really talking to you? How would you know? How did Saul know?

Could you justify exterminating a would group of people and that is God ordered it, it must be good?
I am convinced that God talks to ALL of us all the time. God would NEVER tell us to do evil.

End of discussion.
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Old 04-22-2015, 06:20 PM
 
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If it wasn't different, it wouldn't be an analogy, it would be the same thing.

For an analogy to work, there only has to be common elements or properties, not duplication. The common element in the case before us is convenience. "I rule that everything here is true with the exception of those things which contradict my existing beliefs." That is the dynamic at work in both cases.

It seems like about five times a year I find myself having to explain what an analogy is to someone who is objecting on the same grounds as we see above. Aren't they covering this in schools any longer?
Sigh... Wrong again. In order for an analogy to work it must be logically consistent. Your first case consists of one denying established fact at the behest of belief, whereas the second case is where one denies the beliefs of others based on their own belief.

They might have taught analogy at your school, but you obviously were riding the short bus to said school.
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