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Old 06-25-2015, 09:53 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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If you don't care for Christiany don't join. Simple.

I don't like android phones, yet you don't me ranting against them. As it is written, if you don't believe in abortions don't get one.
Quite so. But the point is that Christianity is constantly telling us what a difference Jesus made to this or that person's life 0 and i have never bought the 'Just telling' gambit. The purpose is to try this or that ploy for making more and more people join up.

And the fact is that other religions can do just the same, so it is a ploy that will only work on the pump - primed - which is pretty much everyone in the West.

As for the abortion thing, a moment's thought (you should try it sometime ) will show that is what we have always said. It is the Other side who say 'If you do believe in abortions - we should try to stop you'.

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It's okay if you don't like hearing those testimonies. Most people don't and frankly most people won't. That's to be expected.

However, those kinds of testimonies are a "back to basics" of Christianity, and what we should be doing instead of passing laws to force non-Christians to act like Christians.
Well, that I can understand if it is aimed at other Christians. I am not one so I could have misunderstood what they were intended to do. But now I come to think of it, what sort of audience do you want? One that shouts 'Preach, brother! Hallelujiah! or the one that sits silent with arms folded?
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:20 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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Don't tell me about your "god," SHOW me what your god wants you to DO.
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:14 AM
 
Location: USA
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Don't tell me about your "god," SHOW me what your god wants you to DO.
Eat, survive, reproduce!
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:28 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Eat, survive, reproduce!
That's the god of the Darwinist religion, O Freaky one. What the God of the Jesusgod religion wants is to Believe, worship, evangelize!
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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That's the god of the Darwinist religion, O Freaky one. What the God of the Jesusgod religion wants is to Believe, worship, evangelize!
What about the deity of the Bill-and-Ted-ians? "Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES!"

-NoCapo
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Old 06-25-2015, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Texan2008 may correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the point of the OP was to illustrate that the supposed benefits are flowing from the conversion experience, not from the religion to which the person converted. If the same effect is produced whether the conversion was to Christianity, Islam or any other faith, than it is not the faith which is the primary agent at work, it is the change from whatever tormented state the person was in, to a feeling that everything is fine now.

I have thought about this proposition in relation to people I have known who were really bad actors before they found Jesus. Drunks, druggies, wife beaters, those with violent tempers...they see the light of Jesus/Islam whatever, and now they are clean, sober etc.

Well, in those cases I never believe that Jesus is actually in the picture, rather it is the change from being a drunken SOB (or whatever you were) to being a person who isn't repulsing others with his or her conduct, which is making life better.
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