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Old 07-09-2015, 06:32 AM
 
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We all know, most of us anyway, that the whole concept of religion was developed as a mechanism to control the masses throughout time.

Well, quite honestly, society and humanity now sees religion for what it is, and the entire concept of a higher being and religion in general seems dated and silly. The fact that people still die in the name of their religion just highlights how absurd the whole thing is.

Does anyone agree with me that maybe it's just time to "cut the cord" and let it go?
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Old 07-09-2015, 06:43 AM
 
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We all know, most of us anyway, that the whole concept of religion was developed as a mechanism to control the masses throughout time.

Well, quite honestly, society and humanity now sees religion for what it is, and the entire concept of a higher being and religion in general seems dated and silly. The fact that people still die in the name of their religion just highlights how absurd the whole thing is.

Does anyone agree with me that maybe it's just time to "cut the cord" and let it go?
kinda yeah, parts. Like magic.

we need to control the masses. Also, that is only one component to religion and that is why we need separation of church and state. "we" control ourselves, not any one belief system alone should ever have that much power.

a higher being is not silly. In fact claiming we are not part of a higher order system goes against observation. so now what?

Dyeing for love, compassion, and understand is ok. There are many things that gnaw at a man's gut more than death. "oppression" and forcing a belief system on others is one of them. Even of the belief system is "atheism".

"Cut the cord"? kinda. There is no magic. Cut that cord! But helping people to be more than they thought they could be can be magical.
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Old 07-09-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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We all know, most of us anyway, that the whole concept of religion was developed as a mechanism to control the masses throughout time.

Well, quite honestly, society and humanity now sees religion for what it is, and the entire concept of a higher being and religion in general seems dated and silly. The fact that people still die in the name of their religion just highlights how absurd the whole thing is.

Does anyone agree with me that maybe it's just time to "cut the cord" and let it go?
Well the belief there is no God is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis, so I guess it is time to cut that cord.
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Old 07-09-2015, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Upstate SC
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Well the belief there is no God is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis, so I guess it is time to cut that cord.
Well the belief there is no Santa Clause is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis
Well the belief there are no leprechauns is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis
Well the belief there is no tooth fairy is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis
Well the belief there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis
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Old 07-09-2015, 07:57 AM
 
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Well the belief there is no Santa Clause is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis
Well the belief there are no leprechauns is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis
Well the belief there is no tooth fairy is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis
Well the belief there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis
Don't forget the easter bunny! Or chupacabras, or bigfoot, or the Loch Ness monster!

There are at least PICTURES of chupacabras, Nessie and bigfoot... more than you can say about god or jesus
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:04 AM
 
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Don't forget the easter bunny! Or chupacabras, or bigfoot, or the Loch Ness monster!

There are at least PICTURES of chupacabras, Nessie and bigfoot... more than you can say about god or jesus
the Easter Bunny isn't real???
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:08 AM
 
Location: USA
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Well the belief there is no God is a religion or belief system with no verifiable basis, so I guess it is time to cut that cord.
Ah, the Negative Proof fallacy. When applied to ones own God only, it works every time!
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:12 AM
 
Location: USA
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We all know, most of us anyway, that the whole concept of religion was developed as a mechanism to control the masses throughout time.

Well, quite honestly, society and humanity now sees religion for what it is, and the entire concept of a higher being and religion in general seems dated and silly. The fact that people still die in the name of their religion just highlights how absurd the whole thing is.

Does anyone agree with me that maybe it's just time to "cut the cord" and let it go?
I agree, but a significant portion of the population is still under the delusion of religion. Their religion tells them that anyone trying to free them from their delusion is in league with The Devil Himself. So it might take at least another generation or two to get rid of religion in the USA. The other problem is birth rates. If we secular types let the religious out breed us, the future won't be so bright.
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:40 AM
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We all know, most of us anyway, that the whole concept of religion was developed as a mechanism to control the masses throughout time.
This is untrue. Religion was developed as a mechanism to define meaning for life even though most of the parameters of life were unexplained and, as it turns out, unexplainable. The abuse of religion to control the masses came later.

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Well, quite honestly, society and humanity now sees religion for what it is, and the entire concept of a higher being and religion in general seems dated and silly.
Yet the original need for religion remains, meaning-making.

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Does anyone agree with me that maybe it's just time to "cut the cord" and let it go?
I don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Old man with a white beard as God - dump it. Believing that any of the hocus pocus actually has supernatural effect - dump it. Strip away all that spiritually immature nonsense and let religion be what the word itself means: "to bind". Religion needs to be that which binds people together and binds people to the world around them. It needs to give people a context for the universal ethics and give people a context for being their best selves, with regard to how they treat themselves and how they treat everyone else. And it needs to give people a context for their own spiritual growth, meaning development of beliefs and values that are based on reality rather than fantasy, and that are based on our obligations to ourselves and society as a whole.
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:46 AM
 
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Religion needs to be that which binds people together and binds people to the world around them. It needs to give people a context for the universal ethics and give people a context for being their best selves, with regard to how they treat themselves and how they treat everyone else. And it needs to give people a context for their own spiritual growth, meaning development of beliefs and values that are based on reality rather than fantasy, and that are based on our obligations to ourselves and society as a whole.
Explain why we need religion for that.

I hear this a lot, but honestly I am insulted when people say that ethics or ethical living comes from religion. It infers that non-religious people cannot be ethical or treat people well.

That's just complete bull****
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